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    Posted: 07/19/2012 at 10:14pm
Found the great site some here have recommended:  ezacdc.com

And yes, Wildcat Dude, I have looked at other threads and tips/tricks;)...still have some questions though if it's OK if I post a new thread:)
My pontoon is 20' with 16' long railings.  I'm going to need about 10 LED lights up front for flounder gigging.  I'm not sure if batteries will work for this many lights so I've also considered a small generator..would that be the way to go with that many lights?

Second question:  What harnesses do you rec'd I get...and how many panel switches?  Again I'm a newby here so I'm starting from square one.  

I wouldn't mind having some cool green lights off the back (LED), I guess I need a horn, I'd like a marine stereo and wouldn't hurt to have some lights on board for nightime.  The idea of also having a hookup to power things at dock also seem intriguing.  

I won't have furniture until another month or so but would like to go ahead and start since I have my console in and time's a ticking for my Sept gator hunt which I'll be using the boat for if I draw a tag (or one of my friends do).

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I'll let Charles handle this one. But just what type of LED lights are you going to use up front? Do you know how many watts they put out?
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I live by the gulf coast and there's tons of flats boats set up for gigging around here. They mostly use the Honda eu2000i generator (lightweight and quiet) and greed LEDs are the way to go. The wiring harness I'd go with the one PS sells it's $80 and if you get a switch panel from them also it simply plugs in with 1 big connector.
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I'm thinking of about 12 halogen 500 watt lights or 6000 watts.  Too much:)?
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I'd say that not to many if your using a generator, you'd have to figure out how many watts they draw to see what size generator you'll need.
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Thanks Mrtoler...with the generator, would I integrate that into the rest of my wiring for speakers, horn, etc. at all or just run the lights only to the generator?  Any ideas where I can put the generator:)  I'm guessing it will need to be "outside" and not in a cooler or bench seat.
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Here's a couple ideas

Green LEDs 3 12" bars one on the bow and one on either side of the bow



Not my boat, this is a tempory set up 2-12" LEDs on each nose cone and one 12" on a moveable pole on the sides



I'm going to add some underwater LEDs to mine soon I love to gig flounder
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Wow...that makes me smile.

Is all that they're using?  It looks like there's some lights pointed down from the railing as well?  Either way...awesome!
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Originally posted by scrimshaw scrimshaw wrote:

Thanks Mrtoler...with the generator, would I integrate that into the rest of my wiring for speakers, horn, etc. at all or just run the lights only to the generator?  Any ideas where I can put the generator:)  I'm guessing it will need to be "outside" and not in a cooler or bench seat.


If you wanted it hidden you could build some kind of vented box to put it in, idk if you've ever seen the generator I'm talking about but it's very small and about 50lbs. It would be just for the gigging lights, everything else I would put on a house battery and get another battery for starting the motor.

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I did, I looked it up, very nice, I'll probably go with that.

So from PS I need the $139 panel, the $79 harness, I'll need tachometer panel, red and green light for front only (right?), marine stereo stuff and horn?  Will I need any extra wire?

I have no clue how to hook this stuff up although have done electrical work with a friend that's an electrician...

If I did LED lights for instance on the hulls I assume a different wire goes to each light but then all those wires connect to one switch?  Seems like I would need to get extra wire?
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The $139 panel would go nice on your boat and the harness will simplify it. You can buy gauges and just mount them in your console without a panel unless you just wanted the panel. You will need the red and green (navigation lights) up front and a white anchor light on the rear. Since you don't have a bimini I would think you can mount it on the T-top or like some guys do on the motor cowling. The nav lights, anchor lights, horn, livewell, curtousy lights, and any extras will all hook up to the harness. You will need some wire for the stearo, gauges, the wires off the fuel tank and any extra if you need to extend the harness for your application.
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For the wiring to the generator it will depend on if it's 12volt or 110. I wolf think you would tie them together with a plug and if 12volt use a inverter......I may be wrong on this I'd have to research
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Originally posted by scrimshaw scrimshaw wrote:

I'm thinking of about 12 halogen 500 watt lights or 6000 watts.  Too much:)?
Wow, that is a lot of light, requiring a lot of power. Are you not looking at using LEDs for part of this? I haven't checked that Honda generator quoted but I expect that 6000 watts is lot to expect from it.
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Way to many lights IMO. I don't think you will need even half of that amount. 
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Originally posted by Woody Woody wrote:

Originally posted by scrimshaw scrimshaw wrote:

I'm thinking of about 12 halogen 500 watt lights or 6000 watts.  Too much:)?
Wow, that is a lot of light, requiring a lot of power. Are you not looking at using LEDs for part of this? I haven't checked that Honda generator quoted but I expect that 6000 watts is lot to expect from it.

Yes... 6000W would be a lot to expect from a 2000W generator....  Wink
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Ya I guess I didn't see the part where they where a total of 6000 watts
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Sorry I was wrong, found some green LEDs that mount the boat and angle towards the water.  they are 27 watts each.   

I ordered my harness, panel, and lights today.

I've got room on the panel to add a pump for livewell, but I'm running out of room on my boat to put stuff although I am running out of room to put stuff.  I'll be putting a cooler in front of my console which I could use for a livewell but I wouldn't mind having a cooler for beer and food:)

I also need room to put my generator.  I found some storage boxes but again, running out of floor space.

A few more questions:  Where should I store my battery?  Do I only need one?  And this same battery is used to operate motor (tilt) as well as all my other utilities on the boat (lights, stereo, etc.)?

For GPS and fish finder and trolling motor do I link all of those to the one battery as well?  

I'm having a hard time conceptually how all these wires connect to the battery terminals.  

Grounding the battery...how do I do that?  

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The battery for the motor, starting etc. needs to be close to the motor.  I suggest 3 ft or less. This battery for the motor has the gauges and my running lights/anchor light hooked to it as well as the horn and a primary depth/fish finder which is mounted on the stern of a tube with read out mounted on the console.  I run a separate battery for my trolling motor and a fish finder all of which I mount up front next to fishing seats.  This battery I keep in a swing back seat up forward with a quick disconnect plug built into the seat.  I carry a third battery in reserve in case one of the other two craps out.  I do not run any radio, boombox or sound system.   I currently run no other light but will add some which will all be LED and for necessary courtesy and work lights.  If I were to run lots of lights, sound system, etc.,  in addition to my current setup, I would have to consider one of the battery switching and charging systems others here have gotten.

Did you also say you were getting an anchor light (white light at the stern) which is required for night.
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Thanks Mike; yes, got a stern light as well.  So it's OK to store a battery in bench seats?  Do I store it inside a battery black plastic box? 

How does a charger work?  What does the charging?  

I'm thinking maybe I should run a couple batteries in the back and then a couple in the front?  Or would one in the front and one in the back do?  

What do you do without stereo, just use battery stereo?
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You can store the battery under a seat if you put some small vents in it or if there's room, in a battery box on the back of the boat. Really, you can install it anywhere you want, but you need to make sure the main battery cables from the engine to the battery are sized correctly if it's more than 5 feet away from the motor. If you plan on running accessories, such as a large amplifier for the stereo or other high current items when the motor is not running (like when beached for several hours), then you should definitely have a second deep cycle battery to connect those to. This way you will not drain your "Main" starting battery and become stranded. The main starting battery is for starting the engine and should not be relied upon to power accessories when the motor isn't running. Having a Fishfinder and standard stereo connected to the main battery is ok, along with your running lights and horn. I'm not sure what you mean by "Grounding the battery...how do I do that?". You will have a positive and a negative battery cable that goes to the engine (Like your car). Smaller gauge wires will run from the battery to the console to a fuse block, from which you would then run power to individual items or in some cases the wires will run directly to power something (Like a trolling motor). The battery does not get grounded to any part of the Pontoon boat structure.

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Not trying to be as smart alec but I fish and converse with the wife rather than stereo.  But if I were to want a stereo plus all kinds of add on electronics, I'd take the time to lay out a plan on what I want to do, with what, and how do you power it up.  As Rick says, the battery to the motor needs to be saved for motor use.

On a side note, if you had only one battery on the boat and if the wind or wx came up and you felt a need to get to safety, and if the battery was so low it would not start the motor and therefore not power the trolling motor, what would you do??  If you would depend on a portable generator, then you will need to have a plan made up and tested so you can use it to get you out of harms way.
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I know you're in a hurry (for some reason) Wink, but my earlier suggestions of reading ALL the rebuilds (well most anyways) as well as tips and tricks, I think you'd find most of your answers. Not that we don't mind answering them, but the vast majority of your questions have been asked before and it certainly doesn't hurt to ask what you didn't find. Planning is such a HUGE part of success and that planning includes research and collecting data to use on your project. scbadiver's rebuild (which is highlighted in rebuilds) went a LONG way in helping me plan my rebuild and once EZACDC came along with their electrical that played into my phase II project and bass boat project (and that included another forum for fiberglassing).
 
Sometimes you have to be creative and use specific search words on the forum to quickly find what you're looking for. I'd suggest the following key words to use one at time. Wiring / Electrical / Harness / switch or switches /. But I and several others will attest to just taking plenty of time to read all the rebuild posts. I and Mike I know browsed the forums for a full year (I did that BEFORE I joined the forum).
 
I like some of the ideas you've got but you've already seen, you gotta plan ahead or you'll be redoing some of it later. Parts you want to redo, you want it to be easy, not during the time its so important when it comes to placement of console, furniture, routing of electrical and control cables. Its all logical to a point, but planning is like troubleshooting. You want good planning to PREVENT trouble shooting later. Also got to plan to have a very good transom for the motor to sit on. Get it wrong and you'll have nothing but misery down the road, so make SURE you've got plenty of bracing for the motor pod and its STRONG.
 
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Great advice, thanks everyone!  

I can understand not wanting to have a radio, that's cool you have that type of relationship where you can enjoy "silence"...sometimes we lose sight of that.

I got my harnesses ordered and what I think I'll need for lighting.  I'm sure I'll have more questions. Sometimes even after reading other threads and information things are still unclear when you've never done this before.  Thankfully we have a forum here with great information and great people to share their knowledge!

Well...off to more work (while I have the time;)).  My 2.5 yo likes "pretend" driving the boat while I work:)

I still have to get  a trolling motor and stereo as well as fish finder/GPS.  I spent all night researching but am still not sure what I want.  A lot will depend on what room I have on my console.  I'd like to go with a saltwater trolling motor.
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ahh yes, the 2.5 yr old who'll be wanting that boat - give me the keys pop, it'll come soon too soon. Saltwater troller, now that's a good one. I love the Minn Kota PowerDrive series, low pedal - no pain on the ankle with that low profile and with the auto pilot model, makes working it easy. I'd go for a 52 in model to handle the waves, or up to 60 but I see PowerDrives are not available in saltwater, only Riptides but I've narrowed down your choices for MinnKotas
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Thanks Wildcat...yeah, was looking at the Riptide versions...would it matter if I went with the 55 or 70 thrust?
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20ft, the 55ft lb does me just fine, if you go 70lb then you'll have to go 24volt which is two batteries - more weight wherever you put those batteries so balance again is key. So depends on the kind of fishing you do and how fast you want to go. But more speed, more battery consumption at a quicker pace. Do the reviews and decide what your style is. If you got money and money is no object, then go for the 70, but just plan accordingly on your wiring and recharging system you want to use.
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Nope, I wish money were no object...just want to get what's right.  55 thrust sounds perfect, thanks for the help Wildcat!
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My toon is 24' and I have the wireless 55# motorguide and I'm probley gonna sell it soon and upgrade. I don't like the wireless feature as much as I used to, on mine it drains the battery when you turn under power and you have to run it real high to get it to react. I'm going to go with a minn Kota 80# 60" shaft saltwater with a tiller drive, for my style of fishing it will work better.
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I halfway thought of getting a bow tiller type unit but I like the wireless too much and mine turns just fine with plenty of power. I rarely ever use it more than halfway, full power is rare.
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