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    Posted: 06/26/2011 at 12:03pm
Ah yes. Borate.  The DOT threw me.  Thanks.

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I am not going to cover the plywood extensions.  DOT(borate) is rated for outdoor use ($37 a sheet for 3/4).  Some others on here have used it (vagent, and others).
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Lookin good.  Are you going to cover the plywood??  You said it was DOT treated but that's new to me. 

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A little more work this weekend.  Starting to put it all back together.  Using vinyl for the side panels.



I used some 2x2 angle for the trim.  Works pretty good.



Here is the first side cut/bent and installed.



Before of the sundeck/cover



Finished and installed.



Here is the new tank installed



Oil tank and battery will go in here.  I will also make a door for it.



New/old captains chair installed.  Had to move the console forward 3 inches to give me some knee clearance.



I think that is enough for now.  Will get back out tonight and try and get the wiring done.
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Originally posted by adakops adakops wrote:

Look forward to the sundeck and upholstery.  Thumbs Up

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Coming along nicely.  The fabrication at the stern is very nice.  Look forward to the sundeck and upholstery.  Thumbs Up

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A little more progress.  All the aluminum fabrication is done.  All fit pretty good..  Waiting on my new paneling,fuel tank and switch panel to come in.  Should be here Monday.  Got my youngest son to help me out this morning before it got too hot.  Have to cut the 3/4 plywood for the sun deck.  I made a separate aluminum frame and will attach the plywood to that, then hinge it on the new railings.  I have the foam and vinyl to cover it.


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Hi, That looks really good! We are hoping to do something similar to the rear of our boat. We`ll be following your thread to steal ideas LOL. Plenty of pictures please!
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I am trying to save some money so after removing the rear fence I realized it would be almost a perfect fit for the new side.  A little overhang but I ca live with that for now.  If it cools down will try and finish the fencing tonight.



I am also going to build a sundeck over top.  Mostly to cut down on engine noise while cruising around.
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Starting work on the rear fencing.  First shot is of the pile of aluminum I am starting with.



Here is the extensions I had put on last year.  I am going to extend the deck out over these extension then move the rear fence back 9 inches.


After much trial and error, I am using the Alumiweld rods from HF.  To much burn thru using the mig welder.  No spool gun so also a lot of jams.  Once you get the hang of these rods they really do work well.  First task to build a frame to support the deck.  Right side toon is going to house the battery and oil tank, left side a new 14 gal fuel tank


Here is the placement of the frame.  I have 1/2 inch DOT treated plywood for the deck portion.


Here is with the plywood on it.  Perfect height.  So nice when thinks actually work out.

 
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Here is a shot of the "new" used seating.  Cleaned up really nice.  Next will be making the new back railings.


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Found a great deal on some used furniture.  500 for a complete set.  One bench is not in picture.  Only the corner unit has any damage to the seat.  I will have to recover the seat cushions.  Now that I have seats I need to get into gear and relocate the fence, extending it out over the extensions on the rear toons I had put on last year.  Will also have to make a sun deck over to reduce the engine noise.  More updates to follow.
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The wife an I finished the boat course today(9-5 long day).  Good day for it as it rained finally.  Actually learned a few things.  Now to get back to the projects.
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We were anchored in the first and cruising around the lake in the second.  The wife always packs fruit when we go out, also junk food.  Chicken-In-A-Biscuit crackers.  Back to 100 deg for the next few days but can"t get out until the weekend.  The wife and I are taking a boating course this weekend to get our licenses.  Not required for couple of years but I would like to know what all the signs mean.LOL
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Guess I"m just a premix kinda guy. I just noticed the daugther wasn"t wearing a life vest in the 1st pic, but is in the 2nd pic and so are the boys, so I assume you guys were underway when the 2nd pic was taken and what is that she has in her hand? Vegetables? I can tell one of the boys is into crackers (or vanilla wafers maybe).
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Got out on the lake yesterday evening. Did not want to fight the crowds on the weekend.  The motor is idling better.  Replaced all the rubber hoses.  Still not perfect yet.  Replaced all the bunks on the trailer. I think we have decided to build our furniture.  I will document as we go.

Some lake pics. My daughter.



Here are my boys



I think I am going to go back to the VRO.  I have all the stuff to hook back up.  I want to put a permanent tank and I do not want to have to pre-mix anymore.



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21mph at 4100 rpm with a 60hp - WOW especially on a 24ft"r, now I"d be interested to know what it really would do at WOT and 5500 rpm
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Thanks everyone.

Just back from the lake. Wanted to beat the weekend crowds. The splash guards worked great.  Hardly a drop even at WOT.  Took the gps out and about 21mph at 4100rpm.  Pretty happy with that.  Most of the time we are just cruising slow anyway.  Nice too know it can get up and go though.
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You got it looking good now Tom. I like your idea of a permanent extension on the back to mount your tank & battery seperate.  Hope you are planning on getting out on thewater over the 4th.
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Back from the welders. He did a nice job.  This is the transducer mount he put on the back.  Best we could come up with on this really rounded back end.



I had him extend the deck mounts as far back as he could go.  I want to move the rails back a foot and add in a permanent tank over the new section on one side and the battery on the other.  I will have to fab up some new rails for the extension.  That kind of welding I can do (or will be able to when the time comes).



The most important right now were the front splash guards.  Can"t wait to see if they work.



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Well I think found a good welder.  He does all the local marina"s and has been doing pontoons since the first one showed up on the lake back in the early 70"s.  Should have it back in a week.  I will post some pics when I get it back.  Fingers crossed.
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It is running low at speed.  Because my boat is so lite(and sits so high) when I finally add seating it will sit even lower.

I am going to make sure to see some examples from whomever I find to do the welding.  I have to get those guards on as I get alot of spray coming over the front even at lower speeds.

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3 inches below the surface at rest or when running wide open? Reson I ask is that when running, the motor will tend to lift some. I"d be afraid if you go too much higher, the prop may ventilate. But if it"s easy for you to test it, then it couldn"t hurt to go up some more and give it a try.
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Ok, did another trip on the lake yesterday.  Running better, but I think I am going to raise the transom a little bit.  The plate is still down about 3 inches below the surface.  Next issue is the splash guards.  Here are photos of the front.  I need to go find myself a good aluminum welder.

 

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Most definitely need splash guards then. Don"t confuse the ventilation plate with the cavitation plate though, oh I see you meant surface when you wrote service (whew threw me for a loop)
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Thanks guys,

I am not sure it is too low now.  I raised it 3 inches and it runs better now, a whole lot less water kicked up out back. I think it was just pushing a lot of water.  The motor was almost invisible before behind a wall of water.  I was really just wanted to make sure I was close to where it should be.  I think the av plate is now about 2 inches below the service when loaded.  I can"t raise the motor on the transom but I think if it needs to still come up I can adjust the transom up.  It is the original transom.  This boat came as an electric model but is rated for 60hp.   It is supprisingly stable. 

my next big issue is water spray coming over the front.  They did not put splash guards on the toon cones.  I am going to have to have some made and welded on. If you are going more than a couple mph everyone gets wet.



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I agree with Woody and adakops. Actually I have some concern even about the structure of your transom piece as there doesn"t seem to be sufficient secureness (for lack of a better word) which would put more stress on your support members. But with the information you now have in hand, see how far down the cavitation plate is under water. The normal rational for cavitation plate to transom went out the window with yours so you can"t use that. Also, put people on board to simulate what weight you"ll have if you had furniture (if you"re adding furniture), batteries, gas and whatever your normal carrying capacity is, otherwise you"ll be doing this "adjusting" again when you do get everything on board as you may find the motor really down in the water when fully loaded.
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