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Sounds like some ambitious projects ahead. Look forward to the results..Thumbs Up
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Someone is going to be B...U....S....Y this winter aren't they?  That is a LOT of things to get done before spring but something tells me it's gonna happen. Wink
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Especially since he has a long winter and his name is Scottbee - it'll get done Wink
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VaGent,

I'm pretty excited about the 90HP E-Tec.  I know that you have one, and I haven't heard any complaints.  Happy with your purchase?

I've already picked up all of the appropriate wiring and harnesses for the new engine.... and I'm talking with an associate to see if I can get him to make me a NMEA-2000 trim sender for the unit (since, for some bizarre reason, Evinrude doesn't put the trim information on the bus for engines 90HP and smaller..... weird).

Anyway.... yeah.... going to be a busy winter.  Stay tuned for commentary and pictures!
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Well.. I figure it is time for a little update, with pictures!

The boat is out of the water (sob) and I have pulled the old Johhny 60HP off.  It will probably sit in the garage until spring when the locals will get interested in buying it from me.  Engines don't sell well when there is snow on the ground. 

The old transom wood was looking tired so I pulled it out and laminated up a new 1.75" replacement.  I completely epoxied the exterior of the new unit and it is curing as I type this.

I mentioned that I bought a new engine. a 2010 E-Tec 90HP.  I thought about going larger, but the box that I build in the back would need to be reconfigured if I went with anything other than an in-line...  I think the 90HP will be fine.  Here she hangs in the garage:



For those unfamiliar with the newer generation engines and units like the E-Tec, the diagnostic capabilities are simply amazing, assuming you have the link, software, and a PC.  You can poke around, look at historic engine speeds and temps, prime the oil and fuel system, actuate injectors... on and on.  For a geek, it's pretty cool:


Another very cool thing abut the new engine is that it is NMEA-2000 certified and compatible.  That means that it supports the NMEA-2000 communications bus, and puts all kinds of engine information out onto that bus for monitoring with the proper type of instrumentation.

More details on that in the next post.


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... continued.

Along with alarms and diagnostics, the E-Tec will put RPM, Engine Load (throttle position), cooling water temp, EMM (brain) temp, trim position, cooling water pressure (with the appropriate sender), and a slew of other information out onto the NMEA-2000 (N2K) bus.  Other sending units on the boat can add fuel level, GPS position, over-the-ground speed, water speed, water tank levels, depth, water temperature, etc., etc., etc., to the bus.  The "traditional" way of viewing this information with an E-Tec would be via the ICommand digital gauges (3.5" or 2" units... basically rebranded Lowrance LMF-400 and LMF-200 gauges with custom software for the Evinrude diagnostics).  Here's an example of a typical screenshot:



But many other instruments can interpret and display the N2K data.  For example, many of the "newer" sonar/fish-finder units will also display the information.... and there are other N2K "display only" gauges available.  One example is the Garmin GMI-10, which is a "square" gauge in the 3.5" form-factor.  I think it is a stunning display, and I'm going to drop the ICommand gauges and put three of the GMI-10's in my dash (all showing different information pages).  Here's a simple shot of a GMI-10 showing some typical information:



Note that with the "fuel flow" information available from the E-Tec, and the "speed" information from a GPS receiver or paddlewheel sensor, you can get Fuel Economy date such as MPG, Gal/hr, etc..  You can also get trip and seasonal fuel usage.

I am also adding a Lowrance HDS5 Chartplotter to the system.  It is a N2K device, so it can also display the engine and sender information.. and generate some of its own. 

One of the coolest "new" things for the Lowrance line of High-Def chartplotters is the "Structured Scan" sonar.  This is an add-on unit that gives side-scan and downscan sonar imagery like you have never seen before.  I went ahead and got one of those two.  Agreed, limited usage on a boat such as mine, but the "wow" factor is very high and I'm really interested in knowing what is really at the bottom of my lake!



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.... continued...

And of course I'm doing more than just an engine and instrumentation.  As mentioned before, one of the things I am doing is dramatically increasing my refrigeration storage capacity.  I am doing that by pulling the Norcold 1.7 cubic foot unit from the galley and replacing it with a 4.2 cubic foot Vitrifrigo.  And I am also going to add an "under the seat" 1 cubic foot Dometic drawer refrigerator up in the forward deck area, right in front of the helm.  I've received both of the new refrigerators, and here's what the Dometic drawer looks like:



It's a nice little unit.

Lot's of work to do and more pictures to come!


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Is the drawer 120V only or is it 12V and propane capable? I have only seen them in 120 V
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Originally posted by briankinley2004 briankinley2004 wrote:

Is the drawer 120V only or is it 12V and propane capable? I have only seen them in 120 V


It's 12V only.... and it has a "remote-able" compressor (which I consider to  be a nice touch).

Well built and designed unit IMHO.
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A little more activity in the last 24 hours or so.

The transom wood on my `92 Party Cruiser had seen better days and I pulled it when I yanked the Johnson 60HP.  Some associates had their transom replaced with an aluminum extrusion, but personally I didn't like the resulting "acoustics" that they got from that configuration.  SO I decided to stick with the wood setup.  In lieu of sourcing a 1.75" piece of marine plywood, I ended up laminating my own and then encapsulating it with epoxy.  It turned out pretty good and it is already installed on the boat:



Then today the friendly UPS driver showed up with my new fresh water holding tank.  I'm getting rid of the solar tank on the roof and am installing a 4 gallon hot water heater.  So all of my fresh water will be consolidated in this new tank, which will fit under the deck inside of a center pontoon.  This tank was perfect for that application.  23" in diameter, 75 gallons:



Obviously.... more to come!

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I like the transom and pretty cool tank Star
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Looks good! I think you're right on the acoustics of aluminum transoms. I notice a definite difference with mine (which has a one piece aluminum transom). Seems to transmit vibrations more so than on the past toons I've had with wooden ones.
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While I'm throwing up pics of hardware prior to installation, I reckon I've got a few others to show.

As I mentioned before, I'm going to replace the smallish Norcold Tec II refrigerator (about 1.7 cu ft) in the galley with a larger Vitrifrigo unit.  The Vitrifrigos are made in Italy and you can get them in 120VAC/12V configurations, or just 12V.  I opted for the 12V only.  This unit also has a "remote-able" compressor (you can see it sitting on top of the fridge) and therefore it has a full depth and width freezer compartment (a mandate from the wife and ice-cream eating small child).  It has a flush-mount flange and interior LED lighting.



I also mentioned that I am installing a 4 gallon hot water heater.  I went with the Isotemp "Slim Square" unit which has a 750W element.  There was a method to this madness.  The hot water heater (120VAC) will only be heating water when we are on shore power or the generator (relay interlocked so it won't run off of the inverter), and the inverter will do an automatic load-sharing dividing incoming power between the heater and the battery charging functions. The idea is to heat up 4 gallons of water overnight, and most of the time that will be enough for the following day when we're on batteries.  We'll use the stored hot water, and if by chance we need more (pretty rare) I can fire up the generator.  This unit also has a heat exchanger so it could use waste heat from the engine to heat or maintain the water temperature.... but that doesn't work well for outboards and is primarily used for I/O or inboard installations (or water cooled generators). 



I'll probably have a couple of more shots of the hydraulic steering components when they come in... and then the gallery will start filling up with "installed" images.  At least I hope so!
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Gee, I'm surprised you haven't thought of a solar panel to heat water!!!! Wink
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Think he did, I read it to were he's replacing the solar tank (on the roof) with this current setup.
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Well the 2011 activity is continuing at a somewhat feverish pace!  We're having really good weather here right now so I'm trying to get as much "exterior" work done on the boat as I can before I have to tent here.  Then I'll concentrate on the interior modifications.

That being said, I did spend a few weeknights in the garage finishing off the drawer-refrigerator installation in one of the helm seats.  That's all done and it's ready to be reinstalled in the bow of the boat.  The fridge fits perfectly under the seat:



Now back to the outside stuff.  Old 60HP Johnny (on the left) meet your descendant and replacement, the 90HP E-Tec on the right:



A little hoisting later, and there she is... installed on the new transom inside of the engine enclosure.  It fit... but with barely an inch of clearance!  But an inch is as good as a mile and I won't have to modify the engine enclosure:



Since it was a Johnson-to-Evinrude swap, I didn't have to change controls and they're already rigged and working.  I'm going over to hydraulic steering, so the hydraulic cylinder was installed and tomorrow I'll concentrate on the rest of the rigging.. including the main harness and the NMEA-2000 backbone.

Slowly but surely!
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Lots of activity over the weekend, but not much of it was "picture worthy".  The weather here is fixing to turn ugly so I had to make sure the boat was ready for tenting.  The solar tank was pulled off of the top deck and donated to a friend with a Party Hut.  He is going to mount it under the deck for his fresh water needs (un-heated).  Then I pumped pink antifreeze through all of the water lines (lake water for the slide and deck washdowns, fresh water for the toilet and shower).  Then back to the improvements.

The bow seat with the drawer refrigerator was installed.  No surprises and no big deal.

The new belly tank is going to be filled via a standard "garden hose" through a fill port.  I picked up a standard RV-style unit with a built-in pressure regulator and found a home for it:



I added a vent for under the galley counter (to the outside) and then installed a 12V "computer style" whisper fan and a thermostat.  The fan will turn on and draw air out from under the galley when the air temperature in there gets to about 90 degrees.  With the larger refrigerator and hot water heater living under the galley now, I'm anticipating it getting a little warm in there.

Once that was taken care of it was time to hang the hot water heater:



It lives under the counter where the old 25 gallon galley fresh water tank resided.  It's much smaller than the old water tank, freeing up some storage space which the wife appreciates!

And then the new galley mixer was installed.  Had to make a custom escutcheon to cover up the larger hole from the old spigot.  From this shot you can see the new Scandvik mixer and through the sink opening you can see the hot water heater:



Then I watched football...... !!
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Well it was another productive weekend thanks to the Gods of good weather.  Haven't had to "tent" the boat yet so I have the ability to do both external and interior work.

At the end of last season I had a bit of a disagreement with the local law enforcement officers regarding my blue LED rope lights that run the length of my logs.  At first they were giving me grief for "impersonating an officer", but after the DNR chief warden and the local police chief corrected them on that (Wisconsin law does not prohibit blue accessory running lights), they decided that the blue lights made it "difficult" to see my normal navigation lights.  Since I don't want to be hassled, bothered, er... have this problem again, I have added some additional navigation lights.  These are mounted higher and are the 2 mile LED variety.  No problem seeing these.....



I have already installed a hydraulic steering cylinder on the new E-Tec and pulled the old mechanical cable.  So today I added a hydraulic helm.  I decided to go with a tilt-helm and selected the UFlex UP28T.  It has good reviews and I'm impressed with the design and build of the unit.



The E-Tec engine puts its data out on a NMEA-2000 bus and I am in the process of upgrading all of the other sensors on the boat to NMEA-2000 also (fuel level/volume, fresh water level, black water level, water pressure, etc., etc..).  This lets me eliminate all of my old analog gauges and go for the "dash of glass" approach.  I have now installed all of the new instruments.

On the top row are two smaller 2" instruments.  The one on the left is my Victron BMV602s monitor for the house and starting batteries.  Next to that is an Evinrude-branded Lowrance LMF-200 display.  Below them are three Garmin GMI-10 instruments.  And to the right on a temporary stalk is the Lowrance HDS5 chartplotter unit.  The HDS not only displays the NMEA-2000 information, it also has GPS/chartplotter functions, does depth sounding along with "fish finding", and I have added the LSS-1 "structured scan" unit which gives high resolution side scan and down scan.



Lots of cabling left to do to make all of this work, but it's already bench tested and I'm making headway on pulling the wiring.

More to come!
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With the new Etec engine, you can now consider going back to the 19gallon gas tank...  I have quite a bit of experience repowering pontoons with Etec engines and I jokingly tell the customers that they will begin to think there is a refinery back there "making" gas since they run WAY more efficiently than the carb motors... At pontoon idle speeds they are even nearly twice as efficient as the four-stroke engines!  (that applies to  the Mercury Optimax, and the Tohatsu TLDI 2-strokes as well...).  Strange as it seems, switching to an Etec may have you draining old gas to winterize it since you won't be able to burn an entire tank on most weekends.
I'm just starting a project myself: installing an 8.5ft x 10ft PartyHut hardtop on a 2000 SmokerCraft 8ft wide pontoon and putting a full, insulated wall enclosure underneath.  Will post in the rebuild section as soon as I get started.
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I'm quite excited about the E-Tec.  Did a lot of research on it before making the decision, and all the data echos your points.

The 60HP was becoming a bit of a pain for me.  Besides being a bit underpowered, which reared its head when we'd put her on the river, the fuel economy was becoming a major nuisance.  We don't have gas service on our lake, so she gets filled from 5 and 6 gallon cans that get lugged down the steps to the pier.  And it would take a few of those cans to just putter around the lake on the weekend.  The "old man back" is/was starting to grumble.

I can't fault the 60 for stone reliability... and it sure is an easy engine to work on..... but at some point and time you just need to take advantage of what the newer technology has made available.
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Despite eating massive amounts of turkey and watching football with friends and family, I was still able to get a lot done.... but not much of it was photo-worthy.

I got the new 30' hydraulic hoses run for the steering and did some of the wiring under the dash to get power to the new gauge setup.

Then I turned my attention to the stern of the boat.  I pulled out the 45 gallon tank and all of the surrounding structure (sundeck, storage compartments, etc..) and am now in the process of removing the aftdeck flooring.  I am replacing it with LockDry (like I did on the foredeck) and am simultaneously running the new plumbing for the water heater, pump, shower, etc..

But... then... as expected.... the weather started to turn and they are predicting cold weather and the possibility of snow.  No avoiding the inevitable, so I decided it was time to tent the boat for the winter.  In previous years I had some problems with snow accumulation, so I built a new frame structure for it this year with PVC (as discussed in other threads) and increased the pitch on the roof.

Here are the results:





It all worked well... but dang it is dark in there!  

Man-cave for sure!
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Can you share some details as to how you flush mounted your gps units???
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Originally posted by Mrtoler Mrtoler wrote:

Can you share some details as to how you flush mounted your gps units???

The GMI-10's (not really "GPS Units, my "GPS unit" is the HDS5 chartplotter which is stalk-mounted to the right of the windshield) are designed for panel mounting.  They fit in a 3.5" round hole like most large traditional gauges.

The HDS5 can be panel mounted also.  It comes with a cutout template and fasteners for that purpose.

Of course, not all sonar/chartplotter and GPS-style units can be readily panel mounted.
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Thanks, I did a quick Internet search and found out they offer a kit to flush mount my gps/ depth finder for about $35...only thing I'm worried about is leaving it on the boat all the time, how secure are yours? Are they pretty thief proof?
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Originally posted by Mrtoler Mrtoler wrote:

Thanks, I did a quick Internet search and found out they offer a kit to flush mount my gps/ depth finder for about $35...only thing I'm worried about is leaving it on the boat all the time, how secure are yours? Are they pretty thief proof?

It would take a bit of work to get them out... but a determined thief is going to get what he wants... time permitting.

To remove the GMI-10's they would have to remove the trim pieces (two per instrument), remove the 4 screws that mount the unit to the dash, and then pull the unit out and disconnect the cables.  If they also want the wiring harness it would take a bit more work.

In my specific environment, it is not a worry.  If I was concerned I'd probably use thru-bolts with locknuts instead of sheet metal screws.  Then the screw heads would just spin from the top without somebody under the dash holding the nuts.
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Ryan, personally I wouldn't use a flush mount, I'm too chicken to leave a 600 buck unit on my boat, including my trolling motor. I pluck that dude off and troller is quick mounted also, just a thumb bolt holding it, so it easily comes off too as that's more than a grand for those 2 pieces alone. You can see on Scott's build, he's got a lot of gear on there. 

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I'm kinda chicken also, my boat will be stored indoors someday soon I hope were having a shop put up to park our drilling equipment, mom and dads new 41' rv and hopefully my boat! I remove my trolling motor every time also, I wish there was a way I could flush mount the gps and still be able to use the quick release mount so I could remove it...need be..
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i noticed that you installed hydraulic steering. I'm going to power with a 200-250hp and will need Hyd steeriing. I have no idea whats involved. (mechancally or cost) of this kind of setup. can you tell me whats involved. I'm just trying to plan ahead as far as running cables or hoses.
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Dave I think Scott will be able to shed more light on this than I but basically you will need a helm, cylinder and hoses for hydraulic steering. The helm serves as the pump and steering wheel. The hoses connect the helm to the steering cylinder on the motors. Its fairly simple in concept, when you turn the wheel it pumps the fluid thru the cylinder. Sea Star and other brands are online with indepth information on what you would need. If your running a Verado 250 I hate to say it but your stuck with their electric pump driven system. I have this on one of my boats with twins and why they didn't stick with a simple solution that is proven is beyond me.
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Brian is of course right on the money.  The big Verados mandate power steering which changes the setup a bit..... but you'll still need the hydraulic helm (front mount, rear mount, setback mount, or tilt), hydraulic hoses if the proper length, and then some some form of cylinder (if the engine is not already equipped with one).

So let's just get past the first fork in the road... are you going with a big Verado?
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