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    Posted: 05/12/2012 at 2:30pm
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I've recently purchased the PS Gauge Panel and am getting excited to get it up and running. After going 5 years with no gauges, it's going to be kind of nice to have some for a change! The issue I am running into is with the wiring at the controls. I found the color coded wires I need at the harness, however they go into a plug. It appears that there must be a female plug that it was designed to mate with.
 
I do have some other wires that are loose at the same place and have female bullet connectors on them, which is what I would need. Unless they've been faded by the sun and changed colors, they don't appear to be the wires I need. But on the other hand, I'm not sure what they would be for either.
 
I'm also going to have to splice into the wires to make them longer so they will be able to go from the gauge panel to the controls. I plan on using the supplied wire to go from the controls to underneath the help and then splice in with 16ga wire to bring it back to the panel. Would I be OK with just using standard wire in that application instead of the marine tinned wire? It will be inside the boat and underneath the console. Any thoughts on that?
 
Also, the controls are factory Mercury controls, if anyone else has any experience in doing this same type of project any help would be appreciated!!
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Here's the installation instructions which is on PontoonStuff's web site. After reviewing that, let us know where your problems are then. http://www.pontoonstuff.com/Assets/pdf/Gauge-Panel-Specs.pdf We can help after that. I've never used their gauge panel but it says it'll wire directly into your engine harness. (IF you have the tach harness installed) If you need that, you can get that from Big O I think.

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I've gone through the instructions and it seems pretty simple. I'm just trying to figure out how to tie it into the harness at my controls. There is a harness/plug that comes out of my controls. It is a round 5 pin plug that is hooked to the colored wires that the gauges panel hooks to. Is there an adapter or something I should be looking to get? I don't mean to sound oblivious but I'm just trying to learn as I go here. I have spent many hours trying to find the answer on my own, I just haven't been successful as of yet. Thanks again for all of the help!!
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Show us a picture of the plug you're referring to coming from the controls, that will really help us help you, one of the plug for the PS gauges will help too.
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I don't have access to the boat right now but now that I know a tach wiring harness exists, I think I'm going down the right road. I've done some research on them and it appears that Mercury sells a plug that plugs right into the 5 pin connector and I can run that up under the console and tie that in to my PS panel. I just have to confirm what the model # of my controls are somehow to make sure it will work. But from what I am reading, they seem to all be the same. Atleast the side mounted ones like I use anyhow. From the pictures I see I think that is what I needed. And it looks like I can get it for under $30!!!
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For future reference, this is the part that is needed to do what I am wanting to do. It's Quicksilver Part # 84-86396A8.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Yep, that's correct, you need the tach harness that plugs into the tach plug off the remote, the one you'll get should come with bullet connectors
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This is getting a little off topic, but I am now thinking I might try to find a matching trim gauge to go in the empty hole on the PS panel. It is prewired for the gauge already. I realize in a pontoon its not a huge deal to know your trim but I have found myself having to look back at times to see if I'm trimmed up. Do I need to pay attention to a certain trim gauge as far as motor manufacturer is concernced? I was just going to try and find the matching one that would go with the other 2 gauges in the PS panel. Are most trim gauges universal?
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This one will work - take your pick who you want it from. But yes, trim gauge is motor specific (Mercury, OMC, etc)
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Thanks for all of the help!!! I got everything ordered that I "think" I'm going to need. So, hopefully this week I can get everything put in. I'm going to atleast get done what I can with what I've got. I'll try to take some pictures as I go along so everyone can see how it goes. Stay tuned. I'm sure I'm going to run in to a situation I haven't prepared for but I'm sure I can get it figured out!!
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Get it ready for August and join us for the Official PontoonStuff Pontoon Get-Together in Goshen, IN. We'll be having a tour of a pontoon boat factory and a little tour of PontoonStuff. I'm willing to bet there'll be some give aways (door prizes) See the get-together section of the forum.
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Well I've been trying to get a gameplan ready so when all of my parts arrive I can get right to work and get this part of the project done. That has got me to thinking. Am I going to need any additional harness for under the cowl, or to hook up any wires under there? I wasn't sure if it was already wired and ready under the cowl and I just had to take it from the remote forward.
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I believe with that gauge panel from pontoon stuff, you wouldn't really need anything else unless you want to. If you look at my rebuild, you'll know I really like wiring LOL. I've got dual function switches, so although I have about 18-22 switches, many of them do 2 functions, depending on which way I toggle the switch (like one way for white, other way for red on the same LED's or different LED's), so I use a pontoon wiring harness to a fuse block to a distribution + and - panels that then go to a house battery. I keep my batteries separate for starting and lights and trolling motor. VSR feeds juice from the motor to both starting and house battery but not to trolling motor. Plus I have onboard chargers for trolling motor battery and starter/house batteries (dual charger). 
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Charles, thanks for all of the help! I think I'm finally getting all of this wiring figured out. It is nice to have a good resource though. Finding the time to get all of this done is the tricky part. And in looking at the pic in your sig, you'll understand where I'm coming from in this line of work!! But today before work is going to be dedicated to getting all of the misc. stuff I need and then tomorrow before work will be trying to get the holes cut and then Wednesday is a day off so hopefully I can get to installing everything.
 
I do have a couple quick questions. First off directly related to this topice. I would like to run the power for the lights of the gauge to my dual nav/anc toggle switch. I would like to have the lights come on when I flip that switch to Nav obviously. So do I run the wires directly to the switch or to the fuse panel where all of the switches go to? I'm also having problems figuring out what wires are for what on that switch! I guess some trial and error might do the trick but if I could have a little better idea before that I think it would make things much, much easier!!
 
Second, I just installed myself a Perko battery switch last week. I spent countless hours scouring the forum and finally got it figured out. I just ran all of my power to the common on the switch and then hooked up the batteries as directed. I have a regular sized deep cycle battery that was always used to start the boat and power all of the accessories and a very large deep cycle that was used soley to power the amplifier. My question is this. I keep seeing references to VSR and other items that help charge both batteries correctly while the boat is running. Is this something I should have installed right away or is it something I could look in to down the road?
 
Thanks again for all of your help!
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If you'll look in the tip and tricks section closely, you'll answer your question on nav wiring. HOWEVER, you mention ALL lights. I've got more lights then you could wade through LOL and that wouldn't work for me, so I'm hoping you just meant dash/instrument lights. Plus I have lights I need at night (especially the portipotty) that needs to be turned on at night separate from nav/anchor. So plan ahead for future layouts and you won't have to undo something to do something else. Wink.
 
rickdb1 or someone else will answer the VSR question - reason I don't because off hand I can't recall what the electrical output of your motor is but if you're planning on upgrading in the future then plan now for it and it'll be an easy addition.
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Well I'm at another crossroads. This little project I've started is beginning to add up. After learning about the tach harness and purchasing it, I have just learned today that in order to utilize a trim gauge I have to purchase the trim sending unit. So, I'm either going to scrap the whole trim gauge idea and send back the gauge and save myself the $56 for the sending unit, or I'm just going to bite the bullet and put it in. I just get worried as I hear stories of how the sending units just don't last and I'll be needing to replace it in a few years. So as of now, I'm still on the fence.
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Yeah, personally I like the sending unit/trim gauge just so I know if the motor is tilted up or down. HOWEVER, if it doesn't have the sending unit already on it, I wouldn't bother. But I thought the newer year mercs had a sending unit on it. rickdb1 or somebody else would know for sure. You have checked to make sure it didn't already have one right?
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Well I assumed it would. Then when I pulled the cowl off and looked in there I saw the brown/who wire coming off of the harness and it wasn't attached to anything. So that got me concerned. I can't find anything on the trim cylinder to suggest there is any type of devise to send a signal. So it looks like mine doesn't have the option.
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The sending unit is located on the inside of the port side motor bracket. Tilt the lower unit up and have a look . It will be a small round piece about the size of a silver dollar with 2 wires heading into the cowl. check out the pics below to see the position and what it looks like..
  
 
 


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Mike since you haven't, thought I would help you a little here (in regards to wiring). So I'm gonna post your question for all to see and I'll do my best, but also let others chime in with their thoughts.
 
Quote I've studied that post that you referred me to and also looked through the tips and tricks trying to figure out how to tie in my gauge lights to this switch. All 6 of my poles on my switch are in use and it doesn't appear that the wiring codes are the same. The switches are factory and it is a factory wiring setup. It could just be that the stripes have started to wear off on the wire. I know what I am trying to accomplish. I'm just trying to figure out how to do it. I would like the gauges to light up whenever the switch is depressed to Nav. So in theory I should be able to tie into a hot wire that only gets power when that is done. I'm just not sure which wire that is and more importantly, just how I'm going to tie into it. I appreciate all of your help!!
 
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the typical instrument wiring diagram is this
 
 
 
See that blue wire? You want to tie it in to your Nav wire and if its following the standard wiring diagram (a pic of your wiring of the back of the switches will help) splice it to the NAV/ANC gray/blue wire. Be sure to read this too http://www.pontoonboatforum.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=6905&title=anchor-and-navigation-wiring-tip
 
See the colors on the back of this switch http://www.pontoonboatforum.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=6759&title=spare-lug-on-nav-anc-switch-use, that gray/green wire is what you want that blue wire for instrument lights to wire into (or any lights you want ON when in the NAV position).
 
and look at new2boating's rebuild here at the top of that page to see how he did a nice job of wiring it.
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That's what I was thinking. I just finished reading your rebuild post, all 23 pages of it, and picked up on that. As I don't think my wires are color coded correctly, I'm just going to trace the hot wire from my nav lights all the way back to the switch so I'll know I'm splicing into the correct one. Tomorrow I plan on tying in my speedo gauge light to the other gauge lights and getting that hooked up to the switch, running my speedo tube and mounting the pitot and running the depth gauge transducer and getting it mounted as well. I'm still waiting on my tach wiring harness, trim gauge and trim signal sending kit to arrive. Once I have all of that it'll be time to plug everything in and see what happens.
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REMEMBER now, its NOT a hot wire UNTIL you connect it to the gray/green wire. If you'll post a pic of the back of that nav/anc light, I might be able to tell you which wire you need to splice into if it isn't marine code specs. If you look at the instrument wiring diagram, you only have to do a loop to loop to each gauge light post. Don't know how you're guages are installed in your dash layout, but I've got mine to where I can unscrew the dash and pull out the main switch panel and the gauges ALLTOGETHER, making it EASY to work on. So don't get into a rush, study the diagram and it'll make sense how it all works. Good LORD man, all 23 pages LOL  course I remember when I first came here, I spent MONTHS before I even signed up reviewing EVERYTHING. I'm not too bad at researching but rickdb1 still has me on engines hands down. NH Tooner is also excellent at rigging (love his work), Mr.Diesel is excellent on fabricating as are a host of others in different ways. Me, its in my head, but I can't most of the time translate it to my hands ConfusedLOL (except on computes, firearms and dogs) but I do LOVE wiring even if I can't mojo like I use to in my younger days. No more laying upside down on the car seat working under the dash Confused
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Originally posted by thisdj1 thisdj1 wrote:

I'm just going to trace the hot wire from my nav lights all the way back to the switch so I'll know I'm splicing into the correct one.
  
 
I just reread your post and now I see why you referred to it as a hot wire, what threw me off is you're going from a switch but then you mention "to a switch" when that's NOT correct, it should be coming from the nav/anc switch nav wire to the 1st gauge in the cluster light post, next wire comes off that same post and loops to the next gauge and so on. It should give you a nice tidy wiring scheme in the end.  So I just think its just a matter of terminalogy you're using that throws me off a little but I think we're clicking now.
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I was a member in 06 and stayed active for awhile. I did a partial rebuild, new carpet, new vinyl fence paneling, lights etc. Those were the days when things were just getting started. When I bought my cover I had some issues with it and ended up dealing directly with Jim trying to get it sorted out. I've just now decided to try to dedicate some more time to the forum again. I'm hoping in a few years to be able to go all the way to the frame and start from scratch. But my shopping cart was right at $7,500 for the materials so I'm going to hold off until I've got the cash in hand to do it all at once. But back to the topic at hand, I think I have a pretty good idea on what I need to get done. Luckily it's been kind of slow at work the last couple nights so I've been able to get some research time done in between calls. I'll try to get a picture of my switch tomorrow as well, even if I'm able to figure it out on my own.
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ahh so you got here before I did. Well good luck and we'll look forward to to that pic Big smile
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Never did hear from you anymore about the wiring or you posting a pic of your anc/nav wiring. Did you figure it out???
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