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Topic: '93 Party Cruiser 32 Rebuild
Posted By: Morganh
Subject: '93 Party Cruiser 32 Rebuild
Date Posted: 08/15/2015 at 5:35pm
Hello folks.  Im new to the forum, but I've seen soooo much great information here, that I am inspired to document the progress of my old 32 Party Cruiser.  I have been especially inspired by Scott's (SunBlocker), '92 Party Cruiser rebuild.  If mine comes out 1/2 that good, I'll consider it a success.  Here are some photos of my gal when I purchased her in March of 14.  A complete mess, but the boss (wife Heather) had vision, and I have some skills.  Actually, just enough to mess it up before someone tells me how to fix it properly.

Delaminating sides, and awful aqua awnings








This is how she started.  I will upload some new photos of the remodel so far, but walls, rails, and exterior are on the schedule for this winter. Cry






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Posted By: SunBlocker
Date Posted: 08/15/2015 at 6:04pm
Wow. She's almost a spitting image of The 'Blocker when I first brought her home! The only big difference is that I started with blue canvas and gray carpet.

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1992 SunTracker Party Cruiser 41ft
18' Cobalt, 13' ElDebo E-Pontoon
-- Okauchee Lake, WI --
http://www.pontoonboatforum.com/sunblocker-1992-party-cruiser_topic3192.html" rel="nofollow - The `Blocker Build


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 08/15/2015 at 6:06pm
Here are some pics of progress so far.

I have no trailer, so this is my floating shop.  
New seats, carpet, generator table top, and speakers.
New couch, cabinets, microwave, glass door fridge, and wood ceilings with recessed led lights.

New couch on other side.

Grass on the roof for comfort

New Yamaha 150 four stoke.





Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 08/15/2015 at 6:10pm
Sorry.  Posted two pics of the same couch.  Here is the one on the other side.  Makes into a bed.
And one more angle




Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 08/15/2015 at 6:13pm
Scott,
The rear swim step / slide support, and motor cover. Did you fab that or purchase somewhere?  That is exactly what I have been planning, all the while thinking I was crazy, but here you've done it and it looks great.


Posted By: SunBlocker
Date Posted: 08/15/2015 at 7:12pm
I built all that using "bolt together" aluminum extrusion, composite decking, and pre-painted aluminum skinning. I'll get you the private link to my build soon....

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1992 SunTracker Party Cruiser 41ft
18' Cobalt, 13' ElDebo E-Pontoon
-- Okauchee Lake, WI --
http://www.pontoonboatforum.com/sunblocker-1992-party-cruiser_topic3192.html" rel="nofollow - The `Blocker Build


Posted By: SunBlocker
Date Posted: 08/15/2015 at 7:15pm
Your rework and build quality looks amazing. Very well done!

Oh those poor walls......    

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1992 SunTracker Party Cruiser 41ft
18' Cobalt, 13' ElDebo E-Pontoon
-- Okauchee Lake, WI --
http://www.pontoonboatforum.com/sunblocker-1992-party-cruiser_topic3192.html" rel="nofollow - The `Blocker Build


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 08/16/2015 at 12:44pm
Poor walls is right.  What the heck was Tracker Marine thinking when they used that material.  Im blown away at the lack of quality in that area.  We love our boat though.  Its our dinner cruiser every weekend, and down here in Atlanta, we get cruising weather about 6-8 months out of the year.

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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 08/17/2015 at 2:10pm
As you can plainly see, with the installation of the new Yamaha 150 four stroke, which is heavier than the Johnson 150 2 stroke that was on the girl when I bought her, her attitude in not level, and she rides very low in the back.  I am considering moving the fuel tank and fresh water tank into the aft, under the front seats, as well as move the two batteries from the stern to somewhere in the aft.  I would also like to add additional flotation to the stern if possible.  I saw where SunBlocker added flotation in the form of some type of black floats to go between the side pontoons and the transom.  Any idea where those are from and how it is done?  Blocker also added extensions onto the side pontoons to help support the stern swim platform, but that looks like quite the daunting task.  It may be my only option with such a heavy power plant.  Advice?



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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: SunBlocker
Date Posted: 08/18/2015 at 1:40am
Yeah... The early 90's PC's sit low in the stern and tend to list to port, especially if you have the Onan generator option. But yours looks particularly low, and I'd be concerned that you might have some leaks in your logs. It's not uncommon.

There are a few manufacturers that make the modular plastic logs. The company that made mine apparently was bought-out and now are sold under the "Nautilus" brand. They'll bring your stern up just fine, but they can introduce a lot of drag and hurt the fuel economy and top speed. I'd look at other options first. Relocating ballast is probably a good place to start. Fuel, water, batteries, it all adds up. The closer you can get those things to the bow, the better.

Sadly a center toon isn't going to do anything for your current issue.

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1992 SunTracker Party Cruiser 41ft
18' Cobalt, 13' ElDebo E-Pontoon
-- Okauchee Lake, WI --
http://www.pontoonboatforum.com/sunblocker-1992-party-cruiser_topic3192.html" rel="nofollow - The `Blocker Build


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 08/18/2015 at 1:41pm
Thanks Blocker.  I put in a center tube in, back in march, but only butted it up to my transom tube, and it raised the front in a ton.  I also installed it 2 inches lower than the outside tubes.  During that installation, was when I also put the new motor on, and that lowered the back a ton.  Between the new front tube and the new haevier motor in the back, it knocked me way out of level.  No leaks in the tubes though.  I thought the same thing before I pulled her.  While it was out getting the new tube and motor installed, I had all tubes pressure tested,   checked for leaks and pin holes, and a few dents taken out.  

I was going to pull her again, take the transom tube off, put on a new one that is about three inches larger in diameter, and one that sticks out the back about 4 feet further.  Then I would mount a back swim step on the new longer transom tube, with the motor mounted on the back.  That way, I dont have the motor in the way of the swim deck and I wont have to build a motor enclosure like you have on yours.  Do you think the motor, running 4 feet behind the current location will cause me any issues?  I know the new, bigger, longer tube will definitely raise the attitude closer to level.  Thoughts?


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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: SunBlocker
Date Posted: 08/18/2015 at 2:14pm
I think your plan for the new transom tube is an excellent one.  As you mentioned, it will not only help with the fore-aft attitude of the boat.... it will open up some space in the rear and lend itself to a rear anchor platform.

And... it will actually help with the handling of the boat.  While it will increase the overall length of the boat, it will most likely reduce the turning radius (perhaps by quite a bit) and help to get the engine "up" to the correct operating depth.

With a 4' extension you are talking about a pretty serious cantilever load.  I'd make dern sure that the new transom log is stout and properly secured to the cross-members (you probably want to add at least one new cross member at the existing transom location... where the notch currently exists) and you'd want to create/extend center bunks on your trailer to support the load.  You might have to move the trucks on your trailer back (there should be alternate mounting holes in the frame rails) to get your tongue weight back.

I'd love to see/follow your efforts in this area.  At the end of the day I ended up putting too much buoyancy in the stern of The `Blocker and over the next winter I am actually going to eliminate some, or add some configurable ballast (Phat Sak) to the stern.  I run into trouble if a lot of people want to sit up in the bow.. and I hit rough seas.


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1992 SunTracker Party Cruiser 41ft
18' Cobalt, 13' ElDebo E-Pontoon
-- Okauchee Lake, WI --
http://www.pontoonboatforum.com/sunblocker-1992-party-cruiser_topic3192.html" rel="nofollow - The `Blocker Build


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 08/19/2015 at 2:23am
Thanks for the encouragement Blocker.  I am going to draw out the platform configuration and swim step and post it in advance so you can give me some feed back as to structural integrity.  Can you give me a name of where I can look to buy that bolt together extruded aluminum that you built your paltform with.  You dont have any drawings, sketches, or close up photos you could share do you.  I would hate to start from scratch and reinvent the wheel when you did such a fine job.  

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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: SunBlocker
Date Posted: 08/19/2015 at 12:59pm
I have a rough CAD layout that I did before I started the fabrication... but for the most part it was "cut to fit, trim to match".  Sadly I didn't do any "in process" pics of building that rear platform (I started that long before I thought anybody would have any interest in my deranged ideas).... so almost everything that I have is "completed" pics (many of which you have already seen).

There are quite a few manufacturers and vendors for that style aluminum extrusion and connectors.  I personally used Bosch 30x30 and 30x60 rail stock.  But there is also Item, 80-20, Mitsumi... and others.

If you have ready access to a good aluminum welder, you can easily make a lighter and stronger unit out of welded rectangular aluminum tubing... but the bolt-together is certainly convenient, easy, and doesn't require exotic skills.


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1992 SunTracker Party Cruiser 41ft
18' Cobalt, 13' ElDebo E-Pontoon
-- Okauchee Lake, WI --
http://www.pontoonboatforum.com/sunblocker-1992-party-cruiser_topic3192.html" rel="nofollow - The `Blocker Build


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 08/21/2015 at 2:54pm
Thanks Blocker.  I do have access to a good aluminum welder, and will probably have him just fab it, although I have been looking throughly at extruded and I like the erector set qualities of that stuff.

On another note, what did you use for the floor of the platform.  Some type of non skid coated aluminum?

Thirdly, my main issue is parking at busy docks, (and we are on the busiest recreational lake in the US, see photo below of a typical Saturday, about 10 minute boat ride from my house), especially when the wind is blowing a little.  This thing acts like a sail.  All of that being said, I absolutly love the thruster set up you did.  Can you share with me what type of little thruster motors you bought, are they lowered electronically, hydrocally, or numatically?  Obviously, they run like a trolling motor off of 12v.  Where can I buy something like that?  Would you do anything different if you were reinstalling that system again?


Gets a little harry in this mess if there is a light breeze.




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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: SunBlocker
Date Posted: 08/21/2015 at 9:12pm
The floor of the bow and stern anchor platforms are composite decking that I got from Menards.  It's a bit heavy, but it is easy to work with and doesn't get chipped or marred if/when I drop an anchor on it.  And the non-skid qualities are pretty good.  I have thought about replacing them with the AridDeck (or LockDry) aluminum decking that I used for the main floor... but I know that as soon as I do that I'm going to put a big dent in it.

I like my thrusters.  They are based on 12V trolling motor units that I got on eBay.  I found somebody that was just selling the replacement motor/shaft combo at a nice price and I bought a bunch of them.  Since I have a compressor system on The `Blocker it was easy for me to rig up some pneumatic actuators to do the deployment, and a simple relay/joystick setup for spinning the props.  There are "deployment indicator" LED's and it's interlocked so the motors can only run when they're in the deployed position.

The motors run Kipawa props... which is a night-and-day difference compared to stock Minn-Kota.

If I had 24V readily available I certainly would have gone with the higher voltage and higher thrust motors.  More is better.  I have, at times, considered doubling-up the existing motors.... but it's just not a high priority since the existing setup works well and gets me out of trouble most of the time.  But more is still better.  If I was to really go crazy I'd buy one of the commercially available thruster setups... or build a new 48V system based on something like the Torqeedo 4KW that I installed on my wife's electric baby pontoon.  Sexy as all heck..... but stupid expensive.

And... if you don't have compressed air on the boat you can certainly use electric-cylinders for the actuation.  They work well, but you need to pay attention to actuation times.  You don't want to be waiting 5 seconds for your thrusters to deploy.


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1992 SunTracker Party Cruiser 41ft
18' Cobalt, 13' ElDebo E-Pontoon
-- Okauchee Lake, WI --
http://www.pontoonboatforum.com/sunblocker-1992-party-cruiser_topic3192.html" rel="nofollow - The `Blocker Build


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 08/22/2015 at 1:00pm
That's awsome Blocker.  May I ask what you do for a living?  Amazing "McGiver" skills in so many areas.  You should be a boat designer / engineer for the DIY community.  Discovery Channel would have a hit show on their hands.

What all do you use air on your boat for.  Thrusters.  Ladder deployment?.  Anything else?  I have a small compressor like yours, and that little area where you have it mounted is not good for much due to size and shape, so I might mount one there as well if the need is worth it.  

Your thrusters,  50 lbs of thrust each?  I assume the prop switch out increased that as well?  You wouldn't happen to have a couple of the motor shaft combos left over that you want to sell would you?

Lastly.  Walls again.  In all your studies on this subject, what have you determined is the best 1" solution for stability, and marine application.  I am about the pull the trigger on two 1/4" seaboards, sandwiching a piece of 1/2" Celtec expanded PVC foam board.  Agree or disagree?  If you were doing it again, what would you use?


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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: SunBlocker
Date Posted: 08/22/2015 at 2:51pm
I'm an engineer.....  that's probably a bit obvious...   Wink

The primary compressor that I currently use is the Jun Air (115VAC dental compressor) in the stern of the boat.  The larger 12V PUMA is still on board up front, but I think this is the last season for it on-board.  The Jun Air has been rock solid and the PUMA never runs.

The compressor is used for the air horns, pressurizing the logs, and actuating the flag/TV antennae so we can get under the bridge.... and the thruster actuators.  The ladders are hydraulic (self contained systems).

Yes, the thruster motors are rated for ~60lb of thrust, but the Kipawa props really up the performance.  Sorry, no spares available for sale!

I like the walls that I went with and still feel that they are a good solution considering cost, weight, and durability.  But keep in mind that I modified my boat so that the walls no longer provide structure and load-bearing for the top deck.  If I had to do it over again I might look into a similar wall that has aluminum cladding on the exterior.  But frankly, I'm not 100% convinced that it's worth it.... at least for my personal application.

Seaboard is pretty dern expensive and pretty dern heavy.


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1992 SunTracker Party Cruiser 41ft
18' Cobalt, 13' ElDebo E-Pontoon
-- Okauchee Lake, WI --
http://www.pontoonboatforum.com/sunblocker-1992-party-cruiser_topic3192.html" rel="nofollow - The `Blocker Build


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 08/29/2015 at 6:12pm
I just bought this Minn Kota trolling motor, and I mean motor only, to use as one of my new thrusters like Sun Blocker did.  There are only two wires coming out of the motor, red and black.  Question.  Without the brains of the unit, the top end, and only the motor, can I assume that hooking up the motor to the 24 v battery bank one way will run it in forward, and swapping the wires will run it in reverse?  Dont want to fry the motor if I'm wrong.  Can anyone offer any insight here?




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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: SunBlocker
Date Posted: 08/30/2015 at 12:57pm
If it is a 2-wire only unit, then yes....  that's correct.

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1992 SunTracker Party Cruiser 41ft
18' Cobalt, 13' ElDebo E-Pontoon
-- Okauchee Lake, WI --
http://www.pontoonboatforum.com/sunblocker-1992-party-cruiser_topic3192.html" rel="nofollow - The `Blocker Build


Posted By: Reel Kahuna
Date Posted: 08/30/2015 at 12:59pm
 

Here's how to wire your 6 pin toggle switch to get the forward/reverse on your trolling motor.

BTW I too am fabricating a bow thruster for my Party Hut using a 70# 24v Minn Kota trolling motor.

To raise/lower the thruster, I bought a 12V 200# load Linear Actuator.


Posted By: SunBlocker
Date Posted: 08/30/2015 at 1:14pm
Fair warning:  Trolling motors can draw a lot of current, and you might have a tough time finding a DPDT switch with a high enough contact rating.  Double-check!!

When I did mine I went with contactor/relays.


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1992 SunTracker Party Cruiser 41ft
18' Cobalt, 13' ElDebo E-Pontoon
-- Okauchee Lake, WI --
http://www.pontoonboatforum.com/sunblocker-1992-party-cruiser_topic3192.html" rel="nofollow - The `Blocker Build


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 08/30/2015 at 1:26pm
Thanks guys.  Exactly what I needed to know.  As far as a 24V power supply.  Im a bit new to DC power, but would like to know more.  I need to google "12v power for dummies"  Do I need to have two 12v batteries in line to make the 24v, and then have them isolated from all other 12v things in the boat, or is there a way, if I have 6 house batteries, to isolate 24v just for the thruster motors, while still using all six batteries in the overall house system.  I would hate to have two perfectly good batteries sitting there isolated for only use during thruster use.  Thruster use won't be often and seems like a waste of two perfectly good batteries.  Advice?

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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: SunBlocker
Date Posted: 08/30/2015 at 1:44pm
If you have 6 house batteries and they are all wired in parallel to make a 12V house system, then there is really no way to generate 24V.

Yes, you can get a "boost convertor" to create 24V from a 12V source.... but you're going to have a tough time finding one that generates enough current to run a trolling motor.  It will be expensive.

And that's why the thrusters on The `Blocker are 12V.

(So to answer your question... yes, you would need to have two batteries in series to generate the 24V for your thruster.  They would essentially be isolated from your 12V bank and will require their own charger or charging system)


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1992 SunTracker Party Cruiser 41ft
18' Cobalt, 13' ElDebo E-Pontoon
-- Okauchee Lake, WI --
http://www.pontoonboatforum.com/sunblocker-1992-party-cruiser_topic3192.html" rel="nofollow - The `Blocker Build


Posted By: Reel Kahuna
Date Posted: 08/30/2015 at 2:04pm
Originally posted by Morganh Morganh wrote:

...  I would hate to have two perfectly good batteries sitting there isolated for only use during thruster use.  Thruster use won't be often and seems like a waste of two perfectly good batteries.  Advice?


No way around it...I'm in the same boat (pun intended) LOL .


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 11/11/2015 at 1:13pm
Alright, summer is over here in Atlanta, and time to pull the boat and start the tear down and rebuild of the walls, rails, extended pontoons and swim platform in the back, new stereo and TV, new thrusters, and a few other goodies.  
I found this old pontoon and bought it for $800 to harvest the pontoons and the aluminum parts for fabrication.  Tore it down in one evening and one morning.  
Half way torn down


To this pile of parts


and this





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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: Vigness
Date Posted: 11/18/2015 at 7:24pm
Kahuns, Blocker.

If you want to make sure it will never have amperage problems I have the ideal setup for your reversing switch for your thruster based on the over kill is underrated theory. My dad used electric winches on his tow trucks and our reversing switches were four Ford starter solenoids wired as follows. I have to do this as a description as I am not much for drawing on the computer, Feel free to add on.

Picture for solenoids arranged in a square with the main posts on the left and right sides. Bring your Positive and Negative feeds up the middle, crossing from side to side forming an X like you would for the simple DPDT arrangement. Your feeds to your motor come off the outside posts straight up.

Then using a heavy duty SPDT switch, Momentary ON-Off-Momentary On, you power either the top two solenoids or the bottom two giving you forward or reverse.

We used this arrangement for many years. Even with nearly constant use it was the SPDT switch we replacxed most often and then only once every other year or so unless one of the guys drove over the controler.


Posted By: grouser
Date Posted: 11/23/2015 at 4:27pm
You can run that 24 volt motor on 12 volts,,,,,, it will just not run very fast,,,, may or may not suit your needs, but if you don't need full power then out might work for ya!!!

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Life is good,,,love your kids,,,be kind and Honorable.
2001 Sun Tracker 30 Party Hut
130hp Mercrusier I/O


Posted By: Reel Kahuna
Date Posted: 11/24/2015 at 8:16pm
I've been using 30amp 12v toggle switch from Radio Shack for my bow thruster 24V MinnKota motor and so far, so good.  BTW I also replaced the 12v actuator to a 24v using a separate 30amp 12v toggle switch.  I've been cautioned that these toggle switchs will eventually burn out so I have several replacement on board LOL.
It was also suggested that drum switches wil support the 24v 50amp trolling motor and actuator so I bought two but have yet replaced the toggle switches.

http://static.grainger.com/rp/s/is/image/Grainger/4UYE8_AS01?$mdmain$









Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 12/09/2015 at 9:13pm
I found two 12V motors and bought them, and will use your 30A 12v toggle.  Can you tell me more about the actuators?  This will be the first time dealing with them, but I think I can figure it out.  Obviously, must be waterproof, 12V, and should have an arm reach of ????? and rated for what load?  50lbs?  Any suggestions for what I should purchase?

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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 12/09/2015 at 9:26pm
Pulled the beast out of the water, and into the side driveway.  Homeowner Association is going to love me this winter.  She was so heavy, that as I backed her down the hill, she started dragging my truck.  Gonna need a bigger one to get her out.  So it begins.......




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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 12/09/2015 at 9:28pm
Front rails off....





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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 12/09/2015 at 9:36pm
pulling walls and glass doors.  Generator can now be accessed....





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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 12/09/2015 at 9:37pm
more disassembly......




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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 12/09/2015 at 9:39pm
Front and port side all gone.......  see ya soon,  NEW...

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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: Barnmb7117
Date Posted: 12/10/2015 at 4:17am
looking forward to watching your build.

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Mike
1993 Tracker fishing barge 21
2015 Evinrude pontoon series 90 hp
Summer - On the wolf River Weyauwega, WI
Winter- Chicago, IL


Posted By: Reel Kahuna
Date Posted: 12/10/2015 at 2:13pm
Originally posted by Morganh Morganh wrote:

I found two 12V motors and bought them, and will use your 30A 12v toggle.  Can you tell me more about the actuators?  This will be the first time dealing with them, but I think I can figure it out.  Obviously, must be waterproof, 12V, and should have an arm reach of ????? and rated for what load?  50lbs?  Any suggestions for what I should purchase?


I bought a 24v, 200# lift, 12” stroke linear actuator off eBay.

Rated at 66IP that’s able to protect against water jets.

http://www.budind.com/blog/2014/02/the-mysteries-of-ip-rated-enclosures-explained/%20" rel="nofollow - http://www.budind.com/blog/2014/02/the-mysteries-of-ip-rated-enclosures-explained/

http://www.budind.com/blog/2014/02/the-mysteries-of-ip-rated-enclosures-explained/%20" rel="nofollow -

http://www.budind.com/blog/2014/02/the-mysteries-of-ip-rated-enclosures-explained/%20" rel="nofollow -  

I fabricated and mounted the bracket so that the actuator would not be submerged.

http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2199/2749607/24681099/411780880.jpg


Thruster operation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAbzk9YK044&feature=youtu.be" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAbzk9YK044&feature=youtu.be

 

Pontoon backing into the slip using the Thruster

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxz2E0T9yrM&feature=youtu.be" rel="nofollow -


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxz2E0T9yrM&feature=youtu.be" rel="nofollow - BTW the two 12v toggle switches still works great.




Posted By: toonrider
Date Posted: 12/11/2015 at 12:56am
Wow, they work really slick! Excellent job of backing into the slip!Thumbs Up


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Randy
2008 SunTracker 190
2008 Mercury 60hp Bigfoot


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 12/11/2015 at 4:46pm
Can I just say,   DAMNNNNNNNN.  Nice job.  That is a slick system.  Did you do the welding yourself?  I am trying to make a "bolt only" system, seeing as I am not a welder, but can cut and shape about anything.  I need to find two of those actuators, and then build the two thrusters out of scrap.  Thanks for the reply and the videos are awesome.  

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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 12/11/2015 at 4:47pm
Cutting out windows in new walls.  The blue is just a protective film on the alumi panel.  





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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 12/11/2015 at 4:48pm


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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 12/14/2015 at 1:46pm
walls going back on




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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 12/14/2015 at 1:48pm


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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 12/14/2015 at 1:49pm


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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: Barnmb7117
Date Posted: 12/14/2015 at 1:57pm
Clap Looking really good.

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Mike
1993 Tracker fishing barge 21
2015 Evinrude pontoon series 90 hp
Summer - On the wolf River Weyauwega, WI
Winter- Chicago, IL


Posted By: Reel Kahuna
Date Posted: 12/14/2015 at 2:25pm
Nice!


Posted By: toonrider
Date Posted: 12/14/2015 at 3:12pm
Very nice in deed! Super Job!Thumbs Up

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Randy
2008 SunTracker 190
2008 Mercury 60hp Bigfoot


Posted By: SunBlocker
Date Posted: 12/14/2015 at 4:33pm
Having "been there and done that", I know that it's a heck of a lot of hard work.  You're doing a VERY nice job!

Thumbs Up


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1992 SunTracker Party Cruiser 41ft
18' Cobalt, 13' ElDebo E-Pontoon
-- Okauchee Lake, WI --
http://www.pontoonboatforum.com/sunblocker-1992-party-cruiser_topic3192.html" rel="nofollow - The `Blocker Build


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 12/20/2015 at 12:21pm
other siide torn down today



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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 12/20/2015 at 12:22pm
Rails came back from powder coating, and we installed new metal skirting.  Looks sooooo much better than that old teal crud.....




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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 12/20/2015 at 12:37pm
New question.  Since I am adding 4 feet of pontoon to the back of the existing pontoons, and putting a swim platform across the new sections, I wanted to put a "walk out" to the swim platform, instead of a ladder to have to crawl up and over the back of the boat.  I am putting this walk out on the port side.  This is where the fresh water tank, for the sink only, was located, so I must move it somewhere.

The gas tank for the generator was seperate from the gas tank for the motor.  The generator tank was located port side up front just behind the generator.  Since I have only used the generator twice in the last two seasons, both times to heat something in the microwave, I think I am just going to tie the generator gas line into the motor gas tank, and let them share.  I understand the dangers of running the gas out with the generator, and not being able to crank the motor, but with little to no use of the generator, that wont be a problem.  It will also help in not letting the gas that was in the generator tank go stale because it sits in there so long.

All of that being said, I was going to clean out the old generator gas tank, and convert it to the new fresh water tank for the sink.  Question is, what can I do to the old gas tank to clean it out appropriately so that it can hold fresh water.  It will not be drinking or cooking water, just hand, and or dish washing water.  Again, we hardly ever use the sink either.  Any suggestions or concerns with this idea?


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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: Barnmb7117
Date Posted: 12/20/2015 at 1:19pm
hi your rebuild is looking really good. Clap Sorry No ideal on how to clean the gas tank. Maybe baking soda or bleach. did you try to google how to clean a gas tank?

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Mike
1993 Tracker fishing barge 21
2015 Evinrude pontoon series 90 hp
Summer - On the wolf River Weyauwega, WI
Winter- Chicago, IL


Posted By: SunBlocker
Date Posted: 12/20/2015 at 2:10pm
Interesting.

The fresh water tank for the sink on my `92 was located under the galley counter, almost directly below the sink.  I'm surprised they put yours all the way back in the stern.  I pulled mine many years ago, and that's where the hot water heater lives now.



Poly tanks are pretty inexpensive and come in a huge variety of sizes.  Personally, I wouldn't waste my time with trying to reuse the genny gas tank.  I'm not sure if you'll ever get the gasoline smell out of it.




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1992 SunTracker Party Cruiser 41ft
18' Cobalt, 13' ElDebo E-Pontoon
-- Okauchee Lake, WI --
http://www.pontoonboatforum.com/sunblocker-1992-party-cruiser_topic3192.html" rel="nofollow - The `Blocker Build


Posted By: SunBlocker
Date Posted: 12/20/2015 at 2:14pm
P.S.  I'm looking forward to seeing how you do your walkout.  I've pondered that quite a few times myself.  Usually tripped myself up when I started thinking about the rear canvas (which we use quite a lot) and the reconfiguration of all the storage area back there.  But I know that your `93 is different back there since you have a stern sliding glass door.

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1992 SunTracker Party Cruiser 41ft
18' Cobalt, 13' ElDebo E-Pontoon
-- Okauchee Lake, WI --
http://www.pontoonboatforum.com/sunblocker-1992-party-cruiser_topic3192.html" rel="nofollow - The `Blocker Build


Posted By: Reel Kahuna
Date Posted: 12/20/2015 at 3:19pm
Bring the tank to a radiator shop and have "boiled" out.


Posted By: SunBlocker
Date Posted: 12/20/2015 at 3:48pm
Originally posted by Reel Kahuna Reel Kahuna wrote:

Bring the tank to a radiator shop and have "boiled" out.

"Boiling out" a polypropylene tank?


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1992 SunTracker Party Cruiser 41ft
18' Cobalt, 13' ElDebo E-Pontoon
-- Okauchee Lake, WI --
http://www.pontoonboatforum.com/sunblocker-1992-party-cruiser_topic3192.html" rel="nofollow - The `Blocker Build


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 12/21/2015 at 6:25pm
Blocker.  We dont use the back or front canvas, so that's not an issue for us.  I will post some photos once I figure out the configuration and get the cutting and welding done on the back fence to create the opening and then install the gate.  

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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: Reel Kahuna
Date Posted: 12/21/2015 at 11:37pm
Originally posted by SunBlocker SunBlocker wrote:

Originally posted by Reel Kahuna Reel Kahuna wrote:

Bring the tank to a radiator shop and have "boiled" out.

"Boiling out" a polypropylene tank?


Not if the tank is poly Ouch .


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 12/23/2015 at 3:52pm
port side is coming along nicely.  




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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 12/29/2015 at 1:15am
New front benches came in.  Wife is not happy about losing her parking spot for a few days.  




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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 12/29/2015 at 1:18am
Picked up some sound dampening foam thats suppose to be top notch.  I will wrap the generator case with it before I slide the cabinet and counter over it.  Should keep it pretty quite when its running. Thanks Audition Audio in Cumming GA.  

 




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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 01/05/2016 at 1:09am
This is one of the pontoons I harvested from a dead boat.  About to cut the back 4' off to weld onto my 32' to make it a 36'.



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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: SunBlocker
Date Posted: 01/05/2016 at 4:27am
I can tell by your waterline that your stern was sitting pretty low.... but be forewarned, adding these extensions will also bring your bow down a little bit. It was a somewhat unexpected byproduct of the mod that I didn't fully anticipate. When you load the bow with people you will discover that it will be more common for you to take water over the bow in rolling and rough seas.

With the layout of the PC it's really common to have everybody at the bow and no body ballast at the stern.... and moving your center of bouyancy back a couple of feet just makes the bow want to dig in a bit more.

Just FYI.

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1992 SunTracker Party Cruiser 41ft
18' Cobalt, 13' ElDebo E-Pontoon
-- Okauchee Lake, WI --
http://www.pontoonboatforum.com/sunblocker-1992-party-cruiser_topic3192.html" rel="nofollow - The `Blocker Build


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 01/12/2016 at 2:28am
I am on to electrical.  Here is my wiring diagram.  Can anyone give me the name of the switches I need to order.  I know the rocker single pole for lights and radio, and the reversing switch for thruster deployment and thruster forward and reverse.  What is the switch called that is off, then I hold it down to start the generator, and once started, it goes to the neutral position, then to turn it off, I hold it in the opposite position, then it goes back to neutral once off?  Am I missing anything?

 


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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: SunBlocker
Date Posted: 01/12/2016 at 12:32pm
If memory serves me correctly, that switch is a DPDT, MOM-OFF-MOM (Momentary, Off, Momentary)

And I believe that switch has an independent 12V light circuit.


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1992 SunTracker Party Cruiser 41ft
18' Cobalt, 13' ElDebo E-Pontoon
-- Okauchee Lake, WI --
http://www.pontoonboatforum.com/sunblocker-1992-party-cruiser_topic3192.html" rel="nofollow - The `Blocker Build


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 01/16/2016 at 2:24am
Is this reversing switch what I am looking for to deploy the thruster actuators and bring them back?  Can I also use this for the thruster motors themselves to run in forward and reverse?  It is a

Toggle Reversing Switch — 30 Amp Maintained Contacts, Model# SWT-TOG-4WQuestion

 



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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 01/16/2016 at 2:30am
Blocker,

You mentioned that you had some sort of safety mechanism so that the thrusters were not deployed and forgotten about and then the boat driven with the thrusters in the down position.  With my wife using the boat occasionally, I really need a dummy proof system so that this doesn't happen.  I would love some sort of little beeping noise to be constantly sounding whenever the actuators were in the down position, but I have no idea how to do that or even where to start looking for that type of switch.  Any advise would be appreciated.  


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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: Reel Kahuna
Date Posted: 01/16/2016 at 2:34pm
I used two 6 poles toggle switches, one for the actuator and the other for the motor. The pic below's wiring is to attain the up/down or forward/reverse control.

https://s.yimg.com/fz/api/res/1.2/wzZpEsGN9zmgX2lU3r7cEA--/YXBwaWQ9c3JjaGRkO2g9NDA2O3E9OTU7dz01NTM-/http://www.12volt-travel.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/6_terminal_Toggle_Diagram.gif" rel="nofollow - https://s.yimg.com/fz/api/res/1.2/wzZpEsGN9zmgX2lU3r7cEA--/YXBwaWQ9c3JjaGRkO2g9NDA2O3E9OTU7dz01NTM-/http://www.12volt-travel.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/6_terminal_Toggle_Diagram.gif

 

 I wired a "dash" light indicator that lights up when the actuator is in the full down position.

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/v5kAAOSw~bFWGF9H/s-l1600.jpg" rel="nofollow - http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/v5kAAOSw~bFWGF9H/s-l1600.jpg















Posted By: SunBlocker
Date Posted: 01/16/2016 at 2:50pm
Originally posted by Morganh Morganh wrote:

Blocker,

You mentioned that you had some sort of safety mechanism so that the thrusters were not deployed and forgotten about and then the boat driven with the thrusters in the down position.  With my wife using the boat occasionally, I really need a dummy proof system so that this doesn't happen.  I would love some sort of little beeping noise to be constantly sounding whenever the actuators were in the down position, but I have no idea how to do that or even where to start looking for that type of switch.  Any advise would be appreciated.  

I don't have an interlock that stops you from driving the boat when they are down.  It is sometimes necessary to do both at the same time to navigate tight moorings.

I do have an interlock that stops the actual thruster motors from running unless they are deployed.

I also have indicator lights on my dash that indicate when either the thrusters or hydraulic ladders are "down".  Those are "true position" indicators, and I did them with waterproof magnetic reed switches and panel LED indicators.

My thruster motors are driven by 30+A contactors (relays) and that allows me to use the low-current bang-bang joysticks on the dash.  The deployment actuators are pneumatic, so those are driven by pneumatic solenoids connected to regular dash rockers.


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1992 SunTracker Party Cruiser 41ft
18' Cobalt, 13' ElDebo E-Pontoon
-- Okauchee Lake, WI --
http://www.pontoonboatforum.com/sunblocker-1992-party-cruiser_topic3192.html" rel="nofollow - The `Blocker Build


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 01/17/2016 at 12:12pm
Thanks Blocker.  I will dig in and make sure mine are operated similarly so that I am not constantly blowing fuses.

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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 01/19/2016 at 2:32am
Finished the skins and rails Saturday.  The modified rails to create the stern walk out for swim deck is coming out nicely. My wife (she's an awesome decorator Big smile), picked out one of those new woven fiber floorings that looks like teak.  Its pretty sweet.  Ill post pics shortly.

Took it to the welder today to get the pontoon extensions welded on.  When I got there,  I showed him a spot on the transom, where the wood insert was disintegrating a bit, and the weld around the transom trey had torn a little.  We ripped the motor off, then the old transom plate and wood, and welded a couple of pieces of aluminum rectangle  into the plates bolt spots. We then bolted the motor back on.   





We then started putting the extensions on.  I had cut the ends of the donor boat's pontoons, then cleaned up the cuts and weld areas, and they were ready to go.



We leveled them and tacked them in, ............ start welding.  He will pressure test with smoke when he's done, and Ill pick up the boat tomorrow afternoon.
  


He is going to weld the donor boats aluminum floor joists across the new extensions to give me a floor frame. Shout out to Jim with McKenzie Metal Works in Buford, GA for the good work.  This guy can make anything out of aluminum.  

 I can see the light at the end of the tunnel.  Got a certified letter from the HOA today.  It gave me 30 days to have the boat out of the driveway, or a $25 / day fine.  Don't you love the retirees that have nothing better to do?Ouch  I gotta bust my XXX to get this thing done or I will be finishing her while she floats.


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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: Barnmb7117
Date Posted: 01/19/2016 at 4:40am
Are you going to move the motor back also? That is why I hate HOA. Why did you choose the pointed tubes instead of the flat ones for the back?


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Mike
1993 Tracker fishing barge 21
2015 Evinrude pontoon series 90 hp
Summer - On the wolf River Weyauwega, WI
Winter- Chicago, IL


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 01/19/2016 at 12:57pm
No, not moving the motor back. The swim platform will walk around the motor.  

I didnt choose pointed back tubes, it was the only donor boat I could find at a reasonable price with large enough diameter tubes.  It will also give me that little bit of extra buoyancy.  I paid $700 for the donor boat, and got the tubes and all the rails and floor trim etc.   A single tube on line was $800 plus another $500 shipping so I would have been $2100 into tubes only and had to buy the other extras.  


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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: SunBlocker
Date Posted: 01/19/2016 at 6:32pm
I think replacing the wood in the transom with the aluminum channel was a wise choice.  If you end up getting vibration or resonance due to the change, there are motor isolation pads that you can install to cut that down dramatically.

Leaving the transom and engine where it is hasn't caused me much grief.....  the only real drawback being an increase in the minimum turning radius.  Low speed handling is a little "wonky", but it's always been wonky.... now it's just wonkier.  LOL


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1992 SunTracker Party Cruiser 41ft
18' Cobalt, 13' ElDebo E-Pontoon
-- Okauchee Lake, WI --
http://www.pontoonboatforum.com/sunblocker-1992-party-cruiser_topic3192.html" rel="nofollow - The `Blocker Build


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 01/21/2016 at 7:17pm
Pontoon extensions completed, and swim deck floor bracing installed.  Decking, floor covering, and trim next.



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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: SunBlocker
Date Posted: 01/21/2016 at 8:20pm
No plans to tilt the engine up... for prop access and the like?

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1992 SunTracker Party Cruiser 41ft
18' Cobalt, 13' ElDebo E-Pontoon
-- Okauchee Lake, WI --
http://www.pontoonboatforum.com/sunblocker-1992-party-cruiser_topic3192.html" rel="nofollow - The `Blocker Build


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 01/22/2016 at 3:59pm
That is an excellant point Blocker.  I need to think on that.  I might hinge the back two floor joists, and the wood floor, so that it will flip over from Starboard to Port.  Then I can tilt as much as needed.

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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: SunBlocker
Date Posted: 02/11/2016 at 7:39pm
You don't need to make your own thruster... if you have $2800 lying around!!  Wacko

https://sideshift.com/pontoon-thrusters/pt230-pontoon-thruster/" rel="nofollow - https://sideshift.com/pontoon-thrusters/pt230-pontoon-thruster/


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1992 SunTracker Party Cruiser 41ft
18' Cobalt, 13' ElDebo E-Pontoon
-- Okauchee Lake, WI --
http://www.pontoonboatforum.com/sunblocker-1992-party-cruiser_topic3192.html" rel="nofollow - The `Blocker Build


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 02/13/2016 at 11:50am
Cant spend $2800.  Here is my new thruster deployment system.  It is obviously laying psidedown for modification purposes, but I finally got it where I want it.  Install motor and mount next.




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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: SunBlocker
Date Posted: 02/13/2016 at 2:52pm
Originally posted by Morganh Morganh wrote:

That is an excellant point Blocker.  I need to think on that.  I might hinge the back two floor joists, and the wood floor, so that it will flip over from Starboard to Port.  Then I can tilt as much as needed.

This feature has saved my bacon a time or two....




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1992 SunTracker Party Cruiser 41ft
18' Cobalt, 13' ElDebo E-Pontoon
-- Okauchee Lake, WI --
http://www.pontoonboatforum.com/sunblocker-1992-party-cruiser_topic3192.html" rel="nofollow - The `Blocker Build


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 03/10/2016 at 10:11pm
I am thrilled with the new wallk out and swim platform.  Wife says its the best improvement on the boat.  New thrusters, new skins, new walls, new seats, and new stereo, and she likes the swim deck.








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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: Reel Kahuna
Date Posted: 03/10/2016 at 11:54pm
Very nice! Thumbs Up


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 03/16/2016 at 7:35pm
Trying to figure out some graphics now.  She looks clean like this, but I think some graphics either just on the white, or bleeding onto the black might look good.  What say you?

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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 03/30/2016 at 8:54pm
A little 90 day before and after photo.  




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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: Something2do
Date Posted: 03/31/2016 at 6:00pm
Great looking boat and restoration. Thank you for sharing the build and for posting so many pictures for the rest of the forum addicts like myself. 

I am in the same boat (ha ha) as you on the graphics. I am considering posting some pictures on 99designs (google) and letting the world work on the project. 

Thanks


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1990 30' Party Hut Rebuild 110hp Evinrude
2000 Four Winns Horizon 210 IO


Posted By: Frankieslady
Date Posted: 04/11/2016 at 1:12pm
On your galley,did you build it your self or is it a mold .Nice job.


Posted By: SunBlocker
Date Posted: 04/11/2016 at 3:06pm
This is a picture of his amazing galley:



And a shot of mine:



Nothing "molded" on those.

Yours may look more like this:






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1992 SunTracker Party Cruiser 41ft
18' Cobalt, 13' ElDebo E-Pontoon
-- Okauchee Lake, WI --
http://www.pontoonboatforum.com/sunblocker-1992-party-cruiser_topic3192.html" rel="nofollow - The `Blocker Build


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 04/30/2016 at 1:35pm
So sorry for the late reply.  Havent been on here in a while.  I love the 99designs idea, but wow, its a bit expensive.  $500 for a great design (most probably), then to print and post it will easily be another $1000, and that's wholesale because I own a billboard company and can get printing and application at cost.  Still, $1500 for graphics hurts my pocket.  Still torn.

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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 04/30/2016 at 1:55pm
All of the new work created a new issue, that Blocker warned me about, and now I must fix.  

After adding 4' to the back toons, it gave me more than enough floatation to compensate for the new swim platform, the new 4 stroke motor, and the granite counter top in the galley.  It added so much buoyancy, that now when I put 4 people in the bow, while under way on a weekend day and other larger boats are running around, a decent size roller can come right through the front door.  This never happened before.

I took her back out of the water, dropped the center toon, and moved her forward as much as I could to add lift to the bow. This helped the problem a little, but still an issue. The only other options I can think of are:

1- drop the middle toon down another 3-5 inches so that it rides roughly 4-5 inches below the side toons to see it this will give the front more lift

2- add some water through the plugs to the new 4' extensions in the back to reduce the buoyancy back there, therefore lifting the bow.  This will hurt my gas mileage and overall speed, but my new 4 stroke Yahama gets unbelievable mileage anyway, and we are a slow cruiser so speed is not an issue.

3- completely remove the center toon, and replace it with a shorter, but larger diameter toon, so that it only adds greater lift to the front.

Any ideas, comments, concerns or advice on any or all of these would be greatly appreciated.  I must get this problem rectified.  Wife is not happy when water comes in and runs across the floor.


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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 04/30/2016 at 2:05pm
On the galley question, I built it myself, but on the winter re-model, I ripped it back out and used it as firewood while watching the GA / GA Tech game in the driveway.  I had a cabinet company then make me a new one, with new stone counter tops, and it looks awsome. I will post some new pics.

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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: SunBlocker
Date Posted: 04/30/2016 at 2:54pm
Ugh.  Sorry to hear this.  I feel your pain... I experience your pain!!  Cry LOL

As you noted, the only real solution is to move that center of buoyancy back towards the bow.  You have some options that I don't since I can't "raise" The `Blocker any more due to a bridge clearance.

I think all of your ideas will work to some extent.  Ballast in the stern is probably the easiest (I put some more house batteries back there).  A bigger bow center toon (or perhaps "dropping" the existing unit) will obviously do the most for improving your overall buoyancy and fuel economy.

Tough call.

Originally posted by Morganh Morganh wrote:

All of the new work created a new issue, that Blocker warned me about, and now I must fix.  

After adding 4' to the back toons, it gave me more than enough floatation to compensate for the new swim platform, the new 4 stroke motor, and the granite counter top in the galley.  It added so much buoyancy, that now when I put 4 people in the bow, while under way on a weekend day and other larger boats are running around, a decent size roller can come right through the front door.  This never happened before.

I took her back out of the water, dropped the center toon, and moved her forward as much as I could to add lift to the bow. This helped the problem a little, but still an issue. The only other options I can think of are:

1- drop the middle toon down another 3-5 inches so that it rides roughly 4-5 inches below the side toons to see it this will give the front more lift

2- add some water through the plugs to the new 4' extensions in the back to reduce the buoyancy back there, therefore lifting the bow.  This will hurt my gas mileage and overall speed, but my new 4 stroke Yahama gets unbelievable mileage anyway, and we are a slow cruiser so speed is not an issue.

3- completely remove the center toon, and replace it with a shorter, but larger diameter toon, so that it only adds greater lift to the front.

Any ideas, comments, concerns or advice on any or all of these would be greatly appreciated.  I must get this problem rectified.  Wife is not happy when water comes in and runs across the floor.


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1992 SunTracker Party Cruiser 41ft
18' Cobalt, 13' ElDebo E-Pontoon
-- Okauchee Lake, WI --
http://www.pontoonboatforum.com/sunblocker-1992-party-cruiser_topic3192.html" rel="nofollow - The `Blocker Build


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 04/30/2016 at 11:01pm
Thanks Blocker.  I had also moved my 4 house batteries to under the drivers seat bench to tr and balance the placement of the generator.  Now I kind of wish I had put them all in the stern.  Sad to say, but I even hate to pump out the black water tank, because its adding some nice weight to the stern.

On a brighter note, just about done with the new cabinets.  Here is a photo.  Once lights and decor go in, I will post again.




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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: SunBlocker
Date Posted: 05/01/2016 at 1:09pm
Your workmanship is superb!  Clap

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1992 SunTracker Party Cruiser 41ft
18' Cobalt, 13' ElDebo E-Pontoon
-- Okauchee Lake, WI --
http://www.pontoonboatforum.com/sunblocker-1992-party-cruiser_topic3192.html" rel="nofollow - The `Blocker Build


Posted By: Barnmb7117
Date Posted: 05/01/2016 at 5:15pm
ClapClapClap very nice can you post more pictures?

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Mike
1993 Tracker fishing barge 21
2015 Evinrude pontoon series 90 hp
Summer - On the wolf River Weyauwega, WI
Winter- Chicago, IL


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 05/10/2016 at 12:28am
OK.  As I mentioned in an earlier post, I am riding really bow heavy, especially when I have 6 adults and 8 kids on board.  I outlined three fixes and am going to use a combination.  Need advice on this one.  Am I crazy?

I installed my middle pontoon.  25" diameter, 20' long.  To install it, I bolted a piece of 5/4 pressure treated lumber to each side of the pontoon mounts, and then bolted that through the aluminum floor joists.  This dropped my middle toon down by roughly one inch.  Still have front weight issues.  For more bow lift,  I need to drop the front of the toon down, without dropping the back much.  I want all the lift in the front. 

To accomplish my goal, I am thinking of taking the center toon off, removing the 5/4 board, then buying a set of long 4/4s, and cut them from 0" to 4" thick, for the length of pontoons.  This will effectively drop the front of the toon 4" and taper to the back where its depth will match the depth of the outside tunes.  This should, in my pea brain, make it act a bit more like a v-hull in configuration.  Front center bow  toon will be lower in the water than the outside toons, which should give the front more lift.  

AM I CRAZY?  Help.  I'm about the pull the trigger and do it.  If it doesnt work, its just another 3-4 hours to switch it back.  Speak now or forever hold your peace.  


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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: SunBlocker
Date Posted: 05/10/2016 at 12:34pm
The simple math says that this will certainly give your more buoyancy, and it will move your center of buoyancy forward... which is what you want.

BUT.... just moving one toon "down" 4" with a taper will give you less buoyancy than you might think.... probably only in the range of 300 pounds.  And you *might* run the risk of plowing the tip of the center toon.

If it's easy to do, it's probably worth a try.  But I don't think it is going to give you the dramatic change that you are looking for.  It's not going to offset the 700+ pounds of buoyancy that you added all the way at the stern of the boat with your extensions.


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1992 SunTracker Party Cruiser 41ft
18' Cobalt, 13' ElDebo E-Pontoon
-- Okauchee Lake, WI --
http://www.pontoonboatforum.com/sunblocker-1992-party-cruiser_topic3192.html" rel="nofollow - The `Blocker Build


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 05/10/2016 at 5:18pm
Thanks Blocker.  Plowing the center toon was a concern of mine as well.  I might jsut drop it one inch more. test it, and continue with another in a few weeks if it needs it.  I need to watch the effect on the center tune front.  

I also added a little water to the the back port side extension, to offset the new granite counter tops on the starboard side, and it leveled her out nicely.  I might add a little more to each side, to loose some of that excess buoyancy in the rear.  Hate what its doing to my speed though.  I'm a turtle,  but don't want to be a snail.  Cry


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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: Morganh
Date Posted: 11/03/2016 at 8:17pm
I am tearing the grey carpet out of the front this winter, repairing the wood floor, and applying the woven vinyl, "Better Than Teak" that I have on the swim platform.  I love that stuff and it looks great.  

Question.  When I tear the carpet up, I know I have some bad spots on the old floor.  I really dont want to replace the whole floor.  Is there some type of liquid wood, or wood filler, or something similar that I can put down to firm up the floor, level it a bit, and make a nice base to apply the glue to for the new flooring?


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93 SunTracker Party Cruiser 36
'86 Ski Supreme
'34 Ford Ratrod
'64 Harley Panhead


Posted By: hooptytoon
Date Posted: 11/28/2016 at 11:02pm
You can buy a penetrating marine epoxy/sealer,if the wood is not to soft. I used it when I rebuilt my cabin on the floor and it seems to be working well. But on the deck it may be more cost effective to Hut put new wood down.


Posted By: AZpartycruiser
Date Posted: 12/01/2016 at 2:14pm
Hello from southern Arizona!
Have been getting soooo much great info from this thread. Hoping I can leverage some of your experience as I dive deeper into a rebuild on the '95 PC 32' that I bought recently. Deck is almost clear, with only the genny and tank to be removed. Next up is re-decking the front. Not planning to re-deck under the cabin. And then replacing the roof panels and carpet.
I am following the conversation about cabin wall replacement and wonder if y'all can advise at what point the PC walls ceased to structural elements in the design. With a '95, I am assuming my walls are structural, which worries me. They show signs of water damage. So I am planning to replace them but have not decided yet what to use. Any updated advice on the best material to create the new walls with?
 
This what I started with.
 
Thanks!
Trey
1995 Sun Tracker Party Cruiser 32



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