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    Posted: 03/24/2012 at 8:49pm
Hi, I'm new to this forum but have been "lurking" over the past few weeks.  We have an old (1990) Lowe 'toon that we've decided to have refurbished.  We don't really  have the time to do it ourselves but have found a guy at the lake where our pontoon is who has a good bit of experience with redoing pontoons.  I've looked at furniture on pontoonstuff.com as well as other places.  He has a dealer that he regularly gets his furniture from, but it's the Wise brand.  I notice today that apparently PS has carried Wise in the past but apparently are closing that out to carry the DeckMate.  I'm guessing that since many, if not all, of you have already bought furniture (probably from PS), so I'm assuming you  have the Wise brand.  Are you happy with it?  I like the DeckMate, although we're flexible.  Does it make sense on a boat that old to go with the premium groups or the more basic (cheaper) pieces?  The guy that we're thinking of using can order the furniture for us -- he gets some sort of discount, but would charge us retailOuch, but would not charge us labor for installing the furniture.   His labor charges would just be for the rest of the refurb job.  Or we can order the furniture ourselves, and he will charge labor for complete job.  This is our first attempt at a refurb, and we are NOVICES!!!  Any ideas or advice would be appreciated.
24' 1990 Lowe, 110 Johnson, about to have refurbed!!
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Furniture is not hard to install. I like many others would never pay labor for somebody to install it. But we're like that, after all, that's what this site is all about, doing it yourselves Wink. Just takes some planning. I myself would not install the cheaper Wise stuff, to me its just not that comfortable. Not many have us have bought the DeckMate brand yet as it just came out but I have sat on the showroom samples and I liked it, its a little firmer than my Premium stuff I got from PontoonStuff back in 2008. Some of the members did buy the basic Wise furniture as it gave them different color choices, seat sizes or was just plain cheaper than the deluxe series. But me, I gotta have comfy seats and I sat on ALL the seats PontoonStuff had to offer back then (and recently as December 2011) by driving from TN to Elkhart IN.
 
I would look at the price break - now what else is this "guy" gonna do besides installing the furniture. Depending on the furniture, it'll take you anywhere from 1 to 2 hours to install taking your time. Someone with experience can do it in 30 minutes or less depending on how much furniture you have to install. (Console is a little more involved, due to wiring, steering and controls)
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Besides, it doesn't matter what the age of the boat is, its what YOU want on it and how you want it. Just look at scbadiver's rebuild, took a piece of junk basically and turned it into a jewel and it was the first time he's ever done a pontoon boat (he helped a LOT with mine). If I was physically able, I'd do several more like kartracer28 does. You're down in Birminham, AL and he's in LA (good excuse to go get some real cajun food). Heck I'm not but 3 hrs from you and I certainly wouldn't mind giving you guys a hand, could even meet me halfway say Athens AL (we'll do some fishing there while we look over the boat) Wink.
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Thanks, Charles, for moving to the appropriate place.  Pardon my novice ignorance!! LOL

My hubby could probably do the job himself, but finding the time is the biggest issue.  We don't live full-time at the lake and only get up there occasionally.  We always say we're going to go more, but unfortunately life at home gets in the way all too often.
 
I'm thinking the furniture installation would be fairly easy -- not sure about the console and all the wiring, though my hubby is pretty knowledgeable with wiring too. 
 
We think the subfloor is probably okay, but probably won't know that until the carpet is up.  I think the carpet is original and it's in terrible shape!!  The railing is fine.  Asthetically, I'd like to have it spruced up and maybe painted and/or new color scheme/graphics on outside.  New carpet, new flooring if it needs it, furniture, take down the old hardtop and install new Bimini top (hate that hardtop)!!  Clean and spruce it up from end to end, I guess.  The guy is estimating 3 days work/2 men.  Wants in the neighborhood of $1500 labor. 
 
Getting the DeckMate furniture looks like it's going to be close to 3K.  Bimini top another $500 to $700 probably, and then we'll need a good cover  (probably several hundred dollars) to protect this investment.  Plus incidentals that I know I'm forgetting. 
 
So, as I see it, probably between $4K and $5K in materials and another $1200 to $1500 in labor.  Is that outrageous for a 1990 'toon? 
 
I'm so confused looking at all the possibilities that my head hurts now.  LOL.  Wink
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Sounds like 72hrs of labor based on his estimate of 3 days and 2 guys so that's roughly $20 per man per hour so not unreasonable I suppose. He'll probably pay them 7 to 8 an hour and keep the rest to himself as profit.  Overall not totally unreasonable I suppose. Did you guys buy this pontoon recently or have you had it a while? It took me and several other people a week to rebuild mine. That was new steering gear, electrics, lights, wiring, new bimini, floor, carpet (floor and carpet can take a whole day by itself) and we spent 10hrs a day for 6 days and it still wasn't totally completed by then. Now if you're not in a real big hurry (which I kinda sense you are), you'd save a LOT of money doing it yourselves plus you'd know your boat inside and out. What kind of shape is the motor in? Show us some pictures of the boat and motor
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Oh and don't forget, you'll have LOTS of support right here to guide you and answer questions. Take a laptop and take pics along the way when you go to the lake house. (is it in a slip or dry storage?)
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LOL.  Would you believe we bought our lakehouse in September of 2002, and the 'toon was bought in November of that year from a lake neighbor.  It had new upholstery then, I'm ashamed to say,  and we didn't do a good job of protecting it from the elements.  It sits in our boat slip uncovered and not on a boat lift.  Being the novices that we are, and because we're not at the lake all that often (especially during the offseason), we were not as conscientious as we should have been in cleaning and protecting the boat.  Now we're about to pay the price of such foolishness.  In the nearly ten years we've had the 'toon, we probably haven't put more than 50 hours, if that, on it.  I think the motor is in decent shape -- low hours, I'm sure, for its age.  It does have some issues with "cavitation", whatever that is, according to hubby. 
 
We paid $5K for it back then.   We're not in a huge hurry, but would like to be able to use it this summer as it's our only boat.  I vascilitate on a weekly basis between wanting a new boat that's smaller and refurbishing what we've got.  It's certainly cheaper to refurb than to buy something new!!
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Yep, even on a boatlift it would still need to be covered. I assume you guys have the motor serviced every year. Now me, if I had a slip, I'd want a boatlift too. There are even motorized boat covers if you'd like to spend a small fortune for them (4-10 grand installed) but a good sunbrella cover though is a small price to pay every 4-5 years to keep it looking like new. Think of the resale value then when a prospective buyer comes along Wink, but before I'd do that, I'd go with a new motor (like I did last year) and enjoy it quite a few more years. How big is your boat in length? Never heard of anyone wanting to go smaller before, most of us would like to go bigger. Its just me and the wife but the 20ft seems very small and would have loved a 24ft, but that's life, when you can get a boat cheap, you go for it ($2500 for everything).
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It's a 24'.  It sticks out a little in the slip, so it definitely needs a cover.  A lift would be nice too, but that may have to wait.  I think hubby is already having refurb anxiety!!   LOL 
24' 1990 Lowe, 110 Johnson, about to have refurbed!!
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