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Try your friendly auto parts store or electric supply house for a buss bar. Things are really looking great.. Nice job..
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Allrighty---we got a working stereo (yay!!!), working anchor light, working navigation lights, working docking lights, working horn, and working courtesy floor lighting! Gonna start shoving the wires back in the console and cleaning up! I really just needed a fresh start and a rested brain this morning.


Got to get the fish finder installed.  Gauges not wired yet but I can do that on the water (correct me if I am wrong.!!!).  The battery switch works manually at this point.  Trolling motor works.  I do think one thing is wired incorrectly, which are the two batteries. 


I wanted to wire both batteries together, pos to pos and neg to neg, and keep the 12 volt output.  The first positive terminal has the pos from the engine, pos from the guest charger, and the VSR pos.  The second battery positive terminal has the pos from the trolling motor, VSR pos, guest battery charger pos, and pos bringing power to the console.  However, I don"t have a large cable running between the two battery positives themselves---I need that right???

On the negative side, a similar set up but in reverse---with all the negative connections.  Here I do have a large battery cable running negative to negative.  I think that is right. 


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NO Mam" Do NOT wire the two together Pos to Pos. If you do you will defeat the purpose of the VSR unit.
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Just follow this wiring guide from EZACDC for that VSR setup http://www.ezacdc.com/ProdImages/EZK-Automatic-Battery-Switc h-Schematic.pdf
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ok---I did  have all diagrams and i followed them, which is why i dont have a pos to pos.  I do have neg to neg however.  So in essence, I have to seperate batteries? I"ll try to figure it out.   I am going to have to study that diagram again and make sure I have it correct.  At the moment I am in a race to get the boat cleaned up!
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Jenn, that is correct that you would have a heavy cable connecting the two negative terminals, but NOT the positive terminals.  That is what the VSR switch does -- it connects one of the other of the postive battery cables, as approriate.  But that switch only changes the positive cables around, the negative always stays the same so it is permanently wired.

I am so glad you got the boat back from the mechanic, and apparently you are OK with the work he has done, right?  I know how upsetting that can be when they take longer than promised and leave you hanging.  Your will replay it in your mind many times and make it even worse! My suggestion to you is get the things working that you need to take her out on your vacation and then go enjoy the time on the water.  You can clean up the wiring, and then hook up the fun (but not required) things later.  Just like a good nights rest cleared your mind a good cruise on the water will ease many of your concerns and let you come home to work on things at your leisure, when you don"t feel pressured.  And take along a pencil and pad to note the things to work on later, you will find plenty!

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Having never trailered anything ever, and knowing nothing about boats before last summer, and having only had this boat out 3x last year before the rebuild, all I can say is "MADE IT!!!!" 






And I am exhausted!!!!!


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Congrats on hitting the water  Rest up and go enjoy. You can work the kinks out as you go. Thats what I have been doing and almost to the point where its a snap! Looks like you did a good job and will be having alot of fun on the toon this summer.
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Woohoo! Happy tooning!

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You did a great job on the rebuild jenn. I KNOW!! I saw it while it was all torn down. Congratulations!!  Have a great time & enjoy yourself. You deserve it.
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Now Jenn that"s a pretty sight, your boat off the trailer and on the water! Have a great VACATION!! You earned it!!

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Thank you, Brian, Charles, Krista, Les, Earl, Jason, Randy and Dave.  It was a very exciting moment!  Since then I have had the toon out 5x, and thought I would give a little update on some of the products:

Marine Grade Vinyl Floor:  I am SOOOOO glad I put vinyl down on the floor.  Within the first hour, the first drink got spilled, and after you see 6 kids all under the age of 7 eating lunch on the boat (which means they are runnning around dropping crumbs, watermellon seeds, drinks etc...) the utility of vinyl is priceless!  Given that the vinyl is shaded by the top, and wet at the bow I didn"t hear any complaints about it being hot.  However, my BIL tied his carpeted bass boat up next to mine, and when his wife crawled over back onto their boat after a couple of hours, she remarked that the carpet was very hot on her feet.   

One drawback is that the vinyl teture is hard on your knees if you need to crawl around on it.  Don"t ask why, but I seem to need to do this more frequently than I would like.  And true that the vinyl will get dirty.  I got a telescoping brush and scrubbed the floor at the end of the last two weekends, and a lot of dirt came off.  It was really nice just to be able to hose it down under high pressure, and the water just ran over the sides as the fence risers allow the water to escape.  The vinyl was 2x as expensive as the carpet ($20 per foot), but for me, worth every penny. 

The other thing I would like to comment on is the VSR system.  This thing is like a black box to me, but I think it works.  For example, I tested both batteries before going out for the maiden voyage.  The "starter" battery was about 12.5 V, and the trolling/accessory battery was at 12.6 V.  I used the trolling motor and radio, fishfinder, etc on that trip.  I did not plug in the guest dual bank charger overnight when I got back.  The next morning before going out, I tested the batteries again, and they were both at about 13.4 V.  Therefore, I am going to assume the the VSR relay was doing it"s job at selectvely charging the batteries.  I have no idea how this is happening.  But it seems to be doing it"s job.  Does anyone know what guage wire should be going from the VSR to the positive battery terminals?  Currently I have a 10 gauge wire.

Well, I guess that is all I have to report for now.  Launching has gotten easier, retrieval is still hard and takes 3 of us.  I am having a little throttle issue and hopefully will get a little mor insight into that next weekend.  Going to be moving the boat to a dry dock at a marina at Lake Anna within 2 weeks.  They have a nice service where they will Put the boat in and take it out for you.  Sounds quite nice at this point. 



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10 gauge is fine but didn"t they include the 2 8ga wires with it? If it didn"t then it should be 8 gauge as that"s what they show they use on their complete system. My VSR came with the leads. Course I got the complete battery management system (4 - 4ga wires, 2 battery boxes, guest switch, VSR and leads and negative common ground 2 post lug. All I added then was two 4 post buss bar (one for ground, one for positive). Reason I did that was because my accessory battery is in the back with the starting battery, ran a 14ft 4ga pos/neg cables from battery to buss bars, then fuse panel, electric anchors (through their own 30amp resettable breaker), and other things that might need direct feed that I didn"t want on the fuse panel itself
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Jenn,

How does the vinyl flooring handle being wet? Some types of vinyl can get pretty slippery when wet. I was just wondering if you had any issues with that? Yes, I can see where it would be easier to clean than carpet.

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Randy,

No problems with slippage.  I know the vinyl on my kitchen floor is deadly when wet, but this is highly texturized and even has a little give to it.  I was looking at a rental  Avalon yesterday that came with factory installed vinyl.  It seemed to have less texture than the Mari-deck brand that can be gotten aftermarket.  I had wondered about slippage and had gotten non skid tread to put down at entrances, but there is really no need.  Plus, it was nice to see teh water sitting on the vinyl rather than soaking into the carpet (I believe that the top of the deck is better protected from moisture than with carpet).

Thanks for the input Charles, I think I will see if those 10 gauge wires are heating up when the engine is running.  
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Jenn,

It looks awesome! Great job... All of your hardwork has definitely paid off.

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Ok Jenn, its open.
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Congratulations on a fine job! Your toon is something to be proud of, plus, since you did teh work yourself, you know all its sytems intimately.  Minor repairs will not send you running to a shop - leaving more funds for gas, bait, food, etc. Enjoy!!!
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Well, these rebuilds are never REALLY done, are they.  The very nice thing about this year is that I have already taken the toon out twice, whereas last year it was the first of July, I was about to go on vacation with the toon, the mechanic, as you might recall, went AWOL with my boat, would not return my calls, and finally only got it done and returned the day vacation started.  And that was likley prompted my a colleagues coast guard father going and snapping some pics.  So we had a roaring 3 day finish the rebuild cram session and finally got on the road about 3 days late.  

Nothing ever got done after that, because we all just really enjoyed it the rest of the summer and fall.  Some projects never got started, some never got finished, and then we had a very unusual amount of snowfall this winter (infact two 20 inch snowfalls that took all winter to melt) and that resulted in a damaged original sunsshade/top.  

So lets first get to the subject of my obsession with water in the logs.  I know that the starboard side log had water in it, as I could hear it swishing around during starts and stops while trailering (I was standing outside the boat).  I had siphoned out all I could, but still obviously didn"t get it all.  I also know I had a leak before last summer, as I could see little air bubbles emerging from the forward part of this log where there was a lot of pitting.  So during the rebuild, I cleaned the pitted areas well, marked all the other areas where I know there were pinholes (saw bubbled when logs were wet). Filled those in with JB Weld, sanded and painted. Seems to have held up very well.  

So last week, I got the logs pressurized.  THe welders found that each stern endcap on the logs had a crack in the welds at the bottom.  They found a hole that had been previously drilled and then filed with silicone (I am guessing to drain water from the log), and a crack where one of the crossmembers is supported.  No problem with the pinholes I filled.  They removed the bondo that the previous owner had tried to use to fill and attach the crossmember support to the log.  Said it was easy because they just used a grinder to clean it out.  The repaired the other cracks, I mentioned, and installed drain plugs.  After the outing on Saturday, not a drop of water in the logs :). 

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A few other upgrades this year.  Finally got the trim/tilt unit repaired.  Boy is that nice!  I also installed a remote switch at the stern (it"s the switch in the middle) so that I can adjust the motor either from the console switch, or when standing near the motor.  Love it.  Also got new throttle and shift cables installed.  Works a lot better than it used to, but I still not 100 % satisfied.  But, it"s better than only having 2 speeds to choose from, medium and fast!  Try docking with just those two speeds!  LOL.




Speaking of docking and trailering.  Boat came with the scissor trailer.  Not a bad deal, until there is a lot of wind involved.  I mentioned a another thread that I was out about 2 weeks ago, and the wind kicked up in the afternoon, and I had a TERRIBLE time getting the boat back on the scissor trailer. Problem with a scissor trailer is there are NO stops, and NO guides, and NO winch.  Thus, a real challenge to load in wind.  Boat just floats off the trailer before you even have a chance to get the tie downs onto it so that it can be pulled out.   This resulted in one severely bent and two thirds of the way ripped off fin off the front of a log (Now fixed and the new welds will probably break the dock before the fin again), and after three attempts, we pulled the boat onto the trailer and when it came out of the water, it was very ill-centered because the wind kept blowing the stern off the side of the trailer.  So one of the fins on the motor pod was resting on top of a trailer roller and severely bent it as well.   Had to put the boat back in and re-center it.  

Well, now thanks the the SIL"s BF (still fun to say!) The trailer has bow stops welded onto it.  I also ordered the exact stand and winch needed from the manufacturer, and mounted that this weekend.  Installed the bow eye much like capt58 did in his rebuild.  This should make the process of retrieving the boat so much easier!  Here are some pics of the work in progress.  If this doesn"t totally fix it, we will probably weld on some internal glides.  Eventually I will get the trailer painted, then it will look spiffy.  Right now it just looks decrepit.  And anyway, if more welding has to be done, I may just suggest a step as well, since the bow stops are right in the way of where I would normally climb up.

So below are some work in progress pics. 





Ok..in the pic below::: Don"t worry about the bow eye being off center.  There is nothing on the trailer to center the boat, so bow eye was installed in the middle.  The first time the boat comes up out of the water using the winch, it will center.



Next weekend I will prime the new stops, and get the carpet wood bolted down onto the stops.  More pics to come.....




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Lookin good Jenn. Glad you can get to those items you had to put off last year. Hopefully this year your boat wont go AWOL
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Got the newly welded bow stops primed and the carpeted boards installed this weekend. 




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It was pretty easy to install, once I got some help from
Charles and Rick. Hopefully your junction box is in the
outboard motor where it should be...lol. Remember green
wire is down and blue wire is up. See this thread where
there are some pics.

I think those grommets are called cable boots.  Can't remember where I got mine, but here is a link to one on Ebay. And here is another one.  Think I paid about $5 or so...



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