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For anyone who might be interested in finding out more about the plywood being talked about in the above posts, here is the link directly to the site.

*link removed so as to not advertise, did not point to DOT lumber descripton*

I fully understand this product might not be for everyone but from all that I have found out about it & the boat builders I have talked to this product is not only resonable in price but the warranty is super. I witnessed with my own eyes a building that had been covered in it & subjected to all the elements for the past 5 yrs & there was absolutly no signs of any deteriartion in any way other then it had started turning a grayish color. I also talked to a gentleman who had installed it 5 yrs ago on his pontoon boat (who can afford the BEST of evertthing in life) when it first became available to the general public & he told me he would never use anything else other then this product.

It"s all a matter of what one believes about a product & how much one can afford to spend the way I see it. The side you see in the picture is what is considered the unsanded side but I can tell you it is nearly as smooth as the sanded side. I ran my hand across it & there were no spinters or rough places at all. I examined each & every piece closly & found no voids, cracks anywhere including along the edges. It may not say "marine plywood" but for the price it is going to work out just great for me.

 



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Thanks for the additional info Les---I"m very happy with the lumber.  Just found out there was a distributor in Charlottesville and that I didn"t have to go all the way to Amelia! LOL.
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Les, I didn"t see anything about DOT in that index link, but I did on CCA. Please provide a direct link to the product description if that site has it.
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Process of pressure treating ES+Wood

Product Information

these will open .pdf files about the Borate treated wood
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After looking at those PDF"s, it looks like that particular wood can be used for exterior applications. I wonder what the difference is between that and other DOT treated lumber. I guess it's the polymers that make it waterproof??

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Originally posted by captain58 captain58 wrote:

 

     jenn,  thanx for the validation on the gap at seams.  printed right on it, eh?  are you planning on placing any caulk in that gap?  more pics.  getting closer to the water everyday.

 

Thanks to jenn for th evalidations as I forgot to include that information. jenn & I have have the same plywood bought from the same place & I like her am very pleased with what I see & hear about it.

The building I saw was covered entirely with this plywood & had no applications of piant or anything else applied to it in order for everyone to see how it looked after it "aged" & what effect the weather elements had on it. I got up close & looked at it & there were no signs of "splintering", peeling or seperations of the "plys" anywhere that I could see & believe me when I say I LOOKED hard to find them. The front porch floor of the same building had been covered with the plywood & just nailed down so people could walk on it to see how it wore aover time. There were many "dents" in it from all the heels marks but other then that there did not appear to be any "damage" to the plywood. Naturally it had taken a beating compared to what was nailed on the sides of the building but overall ti seems to be holding up very well.

As I am no chemcal or wood engineer & know nothing much at all about it other then it cuts hard or easy, it appears to me from all I have seen this plywood is going to work very well for my application. I was guaranteed by the lumber company there would be NO reaction chemically when placing it directly on the galvanized cross members on the pontoon or the screws used to hold it down.

Like jenn said earlier, if I can get 5 yrs good use out of it I"ll consider it money & time well spent. I"ll be 72 in 5 yrs so I highly doubt it will be ME who needs to tear it all off & start all over again. It just ain"t gonna happen.  That"s not to say I won"t be "supervising" if they need me to.

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My installing instructions are the same as jenn"s. Leave 1/8 gap between each panel. I explained to the lumber dealer how we apply the panels to the cross members & he said using the joint tape would add portection to the seams but he would be willing to bet me money it wasn"t really needed if using his product. I order the joint tape from pontoonstuff.com anyway as an once of prevention doesn"t work anything & since I am really not familiar with this plywood I thought it would best to use the joint tape just the same.

It"s not your eyes!!!   I was too close to the label when I took the picture & didn"t realize it. It was MY EYES. Not yours. Sorry about that. NO wait a second. It"s the camer"s fault. It supposed to take great pictures & all I have to do is point it. Yeah right!!!   That"s my story & I"m sticking to it.

Originally posted by captain58 captain58 wrote:

  les, that looks a lot like the sheathing that is used in fire retardent applications.  the  "borate" rang some bells, too.  did that come up in your research?  also, did anyone recommend to you to space it at the seams?  as per Jenn"s?  one other thing, is that your camera or my glasses?   can"t read the label.  keep up the good work.  send pics!   i just read the threads on the product.  duh on me!  nothing about fire retardent. but still a lot of good info!!!!!

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Originally posted by captain58 captain58 wrote:

 

     jenn,  thanx for the validation on the gap at seams.  printed right on it, eh?  are you planning on placing any caulk in that gap? 



Dave---wondered about that,  If I caulk it, would that defeat the purpose of leaving expansion room?  I was also thinking that the glue for the vinyl is going to fill in the gap a bit as well.  On the other hand, I don"t want a little divet where the 1/8" gap is running the length of each seam, so some sort of caulk might make sense.  I like the idea of the Vulkem sealing the fasteners, and the seam between the crossbeam and wood, but if I ever need to remove the deck again, (banish the thought) I imagine they are not going to come out particularly easily.  Any thoughts?


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I tell you, that work thing gets in the way of fun, and I don"t get home till about 7 at night.  Hopefully by the end of the weekend I have the bottom of the pontoons painted and have finished restoring the aluminum on top (and sharkhide protectant on).  Right now, the rest of the paint that needs to be stripped has Removall 220 on it, and it"s stewing over night, ready to be power washed in the morning.

Found a place online to buy Vulcum...but I may go with 3M marine adhesive 5200 for the seams.  Even that requires either a 60 mile drive or online order.  So I"m wondering what I might just be able to pick up at the box store.  Did a google search on Vulkem, and there seams to be a number of different formulas. 

Anyway...hope to have pics by the end of the weekend.  Thanks for your advice and encouragement.




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Originally posted by captain58 captain58 wrote:

 

    hey Jenn;   thought i would drop in and see what"s up.  how"s the rehab going?  need pics  good boating - dave



Hey Dave...Thanks for asking!  I"ve been working on prepping the logs for paint.  I should have them painted by the end of tomorrow, and hopefully will be able to post pics!  Went with a navy blue for the bottom side.  Last weekend I got the bare aluminum portion of the logs finally paint free, and restored to a "brushed" aluminum look, and coated with Sharkhide.  Got aluminum primer on the a bunch of spots that needed it tonight.  Envy you---already done! 
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Well when they say that painting is 80% prep and 20% painting (or whatever the saying is, its certainly is true.  Spent 4 good solid days preparing to repaint the logs, and finally got a first coat on today.  This will get a 2nd, and maybe a third coat to thoroughly cover.  Right now you can see a lot of light spots, and it still has the blue painters tape on it (so no crisp line can be seen yet).

Had to paint this in 6 inch sections as it is 95 degrees out and the paint was starting to dry the minute it hit the logs.  I pulled it over into the shade first.












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I guess this should really go before the paint pics, but I thought I"d enclose some pics of the paint stripping process.  Like the coil cleaner, you can"t let this stuff dry on, and it was getting close to 80 and sunny when I applied it.  Put down some plastic wrap after I painted the Removall on so that it couldn"t dry, and it could do it"s magic. 






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Mechanical, huh? Boat mechanical?
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I understand all too well about the 95 degree temperatures jenn. We had them here as well but I loved every degree. I got the logs completely cleaned today & I now fianlly ready for the deck to be installed. That is going to START tomorrow for sure.

Your logs are really looking good & I know you have been working hard but the results are going to turn out great.

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Well, that"s it.  Logs are painted and that marks a big milestone in this restoration.  I estimate it took me five good 8 hour days to get these previously ugly logs to something a bit cleaner.  I am actually really pleased with the paint I chose and with the final result.  I didn"t imagine repainting when I first started (actually i was totally put off by the ugly painted toons and wanted all the paint gone) but I think it looks pretty sharp, and I was never going to restore this to a mirror polish anyway, given the condition of the logs.









Next weekend, I"ve got to drill out about 20 errant rusted screws, and then the deck is going on.  Thanks to everyone for their support. 

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Looking great jenn. If you have a few extra minutes I"ll hire you  do mine too.  I pay well & fix some "mean smoked ribs" on the grill.
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Major milestone Jenn. Looking good and your on the downhill side now. In 40 hrs you will be able to do ALOT to the rest of the project
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Thanks all---you bet I got new furniture from PS.  It"s been sitting in boxes in my dining room for months!!!! Boy will it be nice to clear that out!
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LOL!  Glad I am not the only one!  In addition to the dining room full of furniture, the console I"m working on and all the assorted accessories (gotta have accessories) are in the office, and all the railings are in the mudroom.  I believe there is more of the boat INSIDE the house than OUTSIDE! 

I think you guys are right, the next steps will show some substantial improvements and progress.  I"m looking forward to it.  I think ist going to start to feel like it"s going faster.

When I first got the pontoon last summer, it docked in my yard before I got a change to take it out.  It was totally enjoyable to go out and sit on it and drink coffee in the morning before work.  Kind of looking forward to that again...and definitely a joy to have morning coffee on the boat, in the water, at sunrise.  Can"t wait.
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Well, we had a lot of rain in VA this weekend.  That put a halt to putting the deck down, so I did some odds and ends.  I removed the rest of the corroded screws from the crossbeams, and applied silicone to all the bolts that had the potential to drip more rust (thanks for the idea Dave...aka captain 58).  It then took more than an hour to remove the two original nav lights on the crossbeams...thanks to more corrosion.  Finally after drilling, dremelling, and banging those things finally broke free.  I also got the last piece of fence removed.  I waited as the fuel valve attatched to it was also held on by corroded fasteners.  Required more drilling and banging.  I had also waited to remove the gas spring from a piece of fence.  Why?  You guessed it.  Corroded fasteners.  I am SICK of corroded fasteners. 

Got my last two pieces of fence nearly polished.  And started cutting out the shelves for the sund deck compartments.  Then the rain started.  Day over. 

Today I went shopping for fasteners.  Then I made a mount for the battery mgmt  system that"s going into a sundeck compartment. 



Last year the pontoon seemed to do just fine with one battery and nothing else (no trolling motor either).  Well, actually the previous owner had added a house type of curcuit breaker to turn the battery on and off.  This year I apparently need the VSR relay to intelligently switch between the two future batteries, a battey charger, and a switch. The switch is made by the same company (BEP marine) as the VSR relay, and I think it"s my favorite addition.  The thing is humongoid, but you can run a wire to the console to  turn the battery off and on there instead of at the switch iteself.  I"m going to integrate it into my switch panel since I have a couple of open switches.  Now if that aint lazy, I don"t know what is.

So then I started working on the vinyl.  It is very easy to cut either with a razor blade or tin snips.  Got just one trial piece done with the striping applied.   I used a piece of blue painters tape as a guide to make sure I got the striping down evenly.  I prewet the vinyl with soapy water because I know that I will make a mistake.  I also used a piece of masking tape on one end of the decal to hold it down while I carefully peeled away the backing.  Used a squeegee as I went.  Then I used a credit card to try to push out any bubbles.  This was shockingly easy....I am sure I am doing something wrong.  It looks good though.






Maybe next weekend the deck can go on...hopefully the rain will hold off.






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Well my forecast should be one more day for you unless it clears quickly, but the forecast in TN is RAIN all the way through Friday. Saturday is hopefull, Sunday they are calling for sunshine and 81 (but we"ll wait and see), and just when I thought I was almost done with the boat, you just reminded me of my striping I haven"t done yet. But you know, that could always wait until AFTER I get some fishing in. We"ve booked our trip for Joe Wheeler State Park in AL for 15th-17th and I"ve still got to test the motor before we go. I got the EZACDC battery management system, so its very similar to yours, the VSR is the same (by BEP)
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And this folks, is the new plywood deck.  I have to say that the deck went on very easily!!!  I rented a heavy duty drill for $15, and the self-tapping deck screws from PS ROCK!  I can"t believe that anything screwed through metal that easily!!! Those screws are worth EVERY penny.

My friend Mary gave me a hand.  We snapped lines down the center of the crossbeams where the screws were going to go. Put down the seam tape from PS (By the way it"s only sticky on one side, which made it easy.  I was under the impression it was double sided tape.)  Predrilled a pilot hole just through the wood itself, then the PS deck screws went right in and snugged down the boards.

I put a bead of silicone caulk down the seams, and we filled in the depressed screw holes with wood putty.  We had to then tarp the whole thing up as it may rain tonight.  This all took about 3.5 hours.  I"m not the fastest worker.  But once we had the system down, we could put down a sheet in about 20 min with 15 screws. 









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Originally posted by peppyjd peppyjd wrote:

the self-tapping deck screws from PS ROCK!  I can"t believe that anything screwed through metal that easily!!! Those screws are worth EVERY penny.

Predrilled a pilot hole just through the wood itself, then the PS deck screws went right in and snugged down the boards.

So did you see that idea where we (robbie and I) mentioned it during my rebuild about the pilot holes?  and yes, those big screws definitely will hold.

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Yup, saw that.  It worked really well.    I too am a big believer in pilot holes as they decrease my sense of frustration.  I"d rather spend an extra few seconds drilling a hole than chasing flying screws.  Having 2 drills made it faster as I didn"t have to change bits.  I also just sort of tapped the screw down with a dead blow mallet into the pilot hole (same one I used to tap the deck into place - and one of my favorite "tools") so that they were down firmly and then they just zipped right in with the heavy duty electric drill.  
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And here"s the vinyl deck...done by 9:30 am.  Spent about an hour sanding the deck then about an hour putting down the vinyl.  The instructions say to roll on the glue in 15 foot sections...I am not sure what they were talking about!  The glue was drying so fast that it was tough to get it down in a 2 foot section!  Directions also said to use a heavy push broom to smooth out the glue and wrinkles, but a linoleum roller worked much more effectively. 

I am really happy with the Mari-deck vinyl, it"s actually thicker and sturdier than I expected. 

Well that"s it for the pontoon this weekend.....I"m ready to put a lawnchair on the deck and drink coffee!!






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85 Harris Sunliner 24ft
85 Johnson 70 hp
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Wow, that looks like carpet. I didn"t expect it to look like that, looks really good
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Thanks Charles, the vinyl has a nice bumpy/foamy texture, so it"s not slippery like kitchen linoleum is when it"s wet.  It also has some different shades of gray in it that make it appear even more textured. I am really excited...things are HAPPENING now...lol.


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