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Mike I see you have the same console as I do. How much further have you come on it? Have you put the gauges in yet? I went a little different than you did (according to your template). I went what I thought was most important (tach) followed by fuel, volt, PSI and trim (being the least important since I don"t change it much once I set it). How you coming on the wiring? Are you going with another switch panel to the mix or just use what switches you have on the dash now. Me, I can never have enough switches  as I love lights (especially LED"s) and hopefully I"ll get some night fishing going by the beginning of next year (since I won"t have anything to do to the boat left to do but a 3rd log).

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I"m  using the switches installed in the console only thus far.  My layout is, from L to R, MPH, Tach, Fuel, Volt, Trim (changed my mind a went with order recommendations from forum members).  Gauges are getting tightened down tomorrow.  I"ll get a pic tomorrow and add.  I"m installing a fish finder and a new throttle unit.  Going to hold off on anything else for awhile.  Probably add a stereo later.  The PS wiring bundle hooks directly to the new console"s switch plug so the wiring is easy.  And the OPS bundle had everything I wanted in it.  Oh yes, added docking lights which boat did not have.

The diagrams you and rickdb1 have supplied have really helped.

I"m putting in an additional 8 fuse (auto fuses) with ground buss/bar inside the console for adding anything later.  The separate ground is good and simplifies things I think.  Putting it on a marine plywood scrap used to back up th helm inside the console. v Part of tomorrows work.

The light in the Potti Box is a must and I"ll use what you suggested so no need for another switch on the console for it.

Later I"ll look at installing a dual batt hookup.  I did install a separate 2 battery rack under the sundeck above the motor in order to clear the Stbd horseshoe for the Potti.  And I"m separating the sundeck into two units so can get to the potti without raising the whole sundeck.  Then there"s the privacy curtain rack to build and install.

Biggest problem I"m having is getting my portly body inside the console enough to work.  I"ll get some pics and update.  Been working and not snapping!!  The older I get the less I multi-task!!

Mike


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So far I lost 26lbs since the surgery, so I"m not as portly (like it better than fattie) as I was, so trying to get everything done on the console, so it"ll be easier to just plug it in, or lay the wires through the console openings (like stereo, etc) I still have another switch panel to install (this one) but gotta change switches out for on/off or on/off/on types so got an email in to Kevin at EZACDC to see if I can order (and swap) switches and switch caps. That will give me a total of 18 switches, 4 or 5 of which will be standard like Volt, Nav/Anc, Horn, Livewell, Dock and Courtesy light, rest will be customized for my use (more courtesy lights you can shake a stick at - all LED"s, boarding lights with 4in bright white LED (2 will light the whole deck area).
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Its been awhile since I updated this rebuild.  Sorry, Just got caught up in getting the work done so I could get on the water.  So we’ll bring this up to date over the next day or two.

We got the deck on and swept and vacuumed for carpet.  The boss is showing how  to  really clean that new deck for carpet.



 We followed the video provided on the forum as our basic guide.  First we laid out the carpet and clamped one side.



We laid the carpet half back, clamped one edge and then put the glue down.



After that we reversed the process for the other side.  We did not clamp the side already glued since it wasn’t going to move.  Smoothed out the wrinkles and, 45 minutes later, rolled the carpet with a rented 100 LB carpet/vinyl roller.  The carpet was easier to do than I thought.  Then we set the furniture on the new carpet to see how our planned layout would work



We modified the back half in order to have a potty and put in an L shaped layout




The door to the potty box is part of the original rear across-boat panel.  We cut it at the horseshoe edge and used it for the door.  Had to construct a separate panel to move the door forward and make a roomy space for the potty box.  I tried some of the aluminum brazing rod suitable for a propane torch (Utube video found by a forum member) and it works pretty good.  Takes a little practice but useable.  And the stuff is hard when cooled.



We installed the fence and added docking lights up front.



We really like the big console and especially the switch and gauge layout.  The Lido gauges are really neat.  Had to keep the old wheel with the Lowe logo.  Getting into the console through the access door is not easy, even for a small person.  But I got er done!



The rear part of the deck is an L shape layout with new table and layback for the boss.



More to follow.

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Continuing on:  I forgot to mention the under deck ladder we installed up front.  Saves all kind of deck space and I can reach it in its stored position if in the water.

We had to split the sundeck and the sundecks rail.  We have a machine shop here that does great welding including aluminum.  They fixed the sundeck rail for us and also made our battery rack which we’ll show later.



We have the gas spring for the deck portion that covers the motor, batteries and gas tank.



I have the gas springs in shipment to use for the potty box top.  And I still have to make up a rail to hold the privacy curtain.  Probably a little more work for our favorite machine shop.



Note the vinyl in the potty box.  Same thing in the horseshoe under the gas tank.  Boss insisted on cleanable!!  I insisted on raising the porti potty!!



We moved the battery out of the horseshoe so I decided to construct a battery rack for two batteries.  Worked pretty good and the motor fits.  But cannot put the motor up with the cover on it.  So a project for the coming winter is modifying the rack.  I can raise it 4 inches and narrow it about 3 in and that should give the needed clearance.



I installed a gas/water separator under the battery rack.  It is accessible from the potty box.



The motor area got the most work or new work not counting the deck and carpet.  The machine shop used 1 in square tube that had 1/8 in walls - strong stuff and no problems in supporting the weight of the batteries.  They also made up a support for the long sundeck since it no longer went over the starboard horseshoe.



A local marina did some final work including hanging the motor and putting her in our slip.  We took it out yesterday and are really pleased with our effort.  Still some clean up and finish work to do but we’re back to boating.

It is great having a tach.  But now I have a new item to ponder.  The WOT according to Tohatsu’s manual is 4800 to 5500 RPM.  We’re getting 4075.  The sound of this 4075 is just like last year and we haven’t changed the prop or anything else that would cause this.  She sits at the same level in the water.  I’ll have to check the prop specs and see if that needs changing or if I need to look elsewhere.  Anyone have any thoughts on the low WOT RPM?

On the water pics to follow.

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Looking mighty fine Mike and great job on the spacing of pics and text making it really easy to follow. So did you decide not to get a windshield with the console? I notice you mentioned the EZACDC 8 switch panel, but your binnacle control is where the only place in front that panel can fit. But you can fit in a 5 switch panel on the left and very soon they"ll have optional switches and caps to replace the standard ones and it"ll still leave you room for a marine radio but dicey on a stereo head and the switch panel, but stereo and a marine radio (at least on mine) will leave a slight gap which will need a gasket to close up a 1/16th in gap (if I do it that way). Its because on the left, the lip comes down at a slight angle, then its straight down to the next curved angle.
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The low WOT is 4800, if you already made adjustments on trim angle then you"ll have to look at the prop. What is the prop size again??
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DansDiscountProps recommends for your boat and motor a 10-3/8ths x 11 or a 10-3/8ths x 13.
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Its a  9.9 dia 11 pitch.  Tohatsu lists the following as OK for use:  9.9 x 14.2,  9.9x13.1,  9.8x11.3,  9.8x10.2,  9.9x9.3,  10.2x8.3.

The motor being a 30hp is not trimable underway.  I"ll check tomorrow as best i can as to how it sits relative to on plane.  It sure looks and acts like it did last year.  So I"ll bet i was only getting 4050 to 4100 RPM all last season.

Thanks for the kind comments.

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I checked Dan"s and see that.  So being curious i looked for other prop recommendation locations.  And found several.  Turning Point Props came up with same as Dan"s but further boiled it down to a recommendation of 10 3/8 x 11.  They check the boat by type, manf, usual number of SOB"s (souls on board) and various configuration items which add weight (No of anchors, livewell, amount of fuel, etc.)

So it appears that 10 3/8 x 11 is a good selection for us.  But if an inch of pitch change is approx 200 RPM change then I don"t see the move into the 4800 - 5500 range.  I haven"t found any thing which tells me the significance of 9.9 dia vs a 10 3/8 diameter.  One of the prop sites said the diameter is not as significant as the pitch.

I do know I need to get into the recommended range.

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Mike, great work!  Looking really nice.  I like dash layout.    Wish I had gone with the larger console.
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Thanks folks.  Made possible by the support and information from members of this forum and the good folks at PontoonStuff!! 

We"ve had the boat out third time today.  I had the Mech from the local marina bring his super cal RPM gauge and he and I went for a ride.  The result is that the Teleflex Lido tach is off by maybe 75 RPM.  It reads that much higher than the actual RPM.  The motor is set at just about the right trim for the boat.  The water flows just below the vent plate when at WOT.  Pic of the Tach at WOT.



So I"ll start shopping for a prop.  Based on everything I"ve reviewed, I"m going to try a 9 pitch instead of my current 11.  But it is good to be out again.



The Boss, Karen,  really likes to run the boat!



And Molly is right at home.



We"ll update more as we finish the potty box and prop work and the rest.  And I need to work on fender storage while underway.  Oh yeah, tried the front ladder and it works well.  Glad we went with it.

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I noticed the speedo didn"t seem to be hooked up as it looked from the pic it was still pointing at 0 and won"t be long till you fill the tank again with some petrol (british for gas bud)  but looking at your boat reminded me I need to do a cleanup on mine before hauling it to IL soon
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The boat looks good. I like the look of the captain stand. nice job

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