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    Posted: 12/05/2012 at 8:09pm
I recently acquired my first boat...a 1987 24' Suntracker Party Barge with a 1986 60 HP 3 cyl. Mercury motor.
I have been browsing the forums here and have already purchased a couple things from PS in preparation for rebuilding.
I already removed the railing, furniture, console and decking and have purchased 4 out of 5 new sheets of marine plywood, 3/4" thick.
A friend at the campground my wife and I belong to suggested something he did on his rebuild. Glue rubber roofing to both the bottom and top of the plywood so as to make it last much longer.
I have already put the rubber on the bottom of the decking before installing, and will lay one continuous sheet on the top side then glueing the carpet to that.
My question to you all...has anyone else done this or heard of this? Your thoughts are very much appreciated.
Will be posting pics of my progress.
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Pics of the tear down.
 
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I think that is a bad idea. How would the wood breath?
Good luck with the rebuild I also have a hard top and my wife loves it.
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I can only relay what I've heard on this forum.  The wood needs to breath and dry out if/when it gets wet.  Others have talked about painting and applying fiberglass both sides, etc and have usually gotten the response I just stated.  I think one person did Fiberglas the top and maybe both sides.  I have not heard the result or effectiveness of any of those efforts after several years.

I would be concerned that if infiltration of water developed on top that any surrounding and bottom protective covering might not let the wetness dry out.  Since you have already applied the bottom covering, I'm guessing that putting a top covering would be a good idea.  If so I'd certainly want the seams to be water proof!  My 2 cts only
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Thanks for you input Mike and Mike.
 
I was just wondering Ermm about guys who have put aluminum skinning on the underside of their pontoon boats then glueing rubber backed carpet on the top.  Is it not sort of the same as what I have planned?
Or do you think the wood still "Breathes" because the aluminum skinning is screwed on instead of glued?
 
Or if I do stick with my plan, should I leave some of the rubber off of the side edges on the bottom so as to let what ever moisture gets in to seep out?
 
If I get a chance to find my friends phone number this weekend, I'll call him and ask how his boat is looking so far.
 
Thanks again guys.
 
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underskinning is on the frameing not the decking ur gonna end up with soggy.slimy moldy deck! g. l.
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billyb is correct on the underskinning.  I can't advise you further since I have nothing concrete to base any comments on regarding a sealed deck.    I put a strip of PS' insulating tape across each stringer where the edges of the plywood butt together and then put the plywood down. I put carpet (glued) on top of marine grade CCA plywood.  Nothing on the bottom.  This seems to be pretty much customary.  And I'm told is the same as the manufacturers do.  Maybe your friend has several years of  experience with his approach.  Good luck.
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My husband and I are in the middle of rebuilding our Suntracker Party Barge as well...it's also a 24 footer!  Best of luck and I can't wait to see all your pictures of your rebuild.
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I see this topic come up from time to time, about all the different types of wood and the pros & cons of using it as decking and how to prolong the life of this or that.  IMHO:  If you want it to last use CCA Treated Marine Pontoon Decking, or Composite designed for Marine use just as they come out of the box.  If you don't care how long it lasts because you are going to sell it or re-do it all again in a few years use what ever is cheapest as it won't matter any way.  If there was a magic decking or procedure out there that was better suited for decking a pontoon every new manufacture would be using it.  I prefer to use what works and concentrate on the little details rather than trying to re-invent the wheel.  Wink
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With all the input about the rubber I planned to use...I can now see the reason/reasons not to use it.  I only have it installed on one side of the wood so I will be tearing it off and not using it.  Thanks for your help everyone.
 
I bought the two sided sticky foam tape to put under each piece of plywood where it meets the next section.  I also bought the risers that go under the railing/fencing.
 
Now...on to the things I would like to do.  I plan on painting the aluminum railing white or cream and the fencing royal or midnight blue.  Then add new decals.  I would like to use a light colored carpet like tan, beige or sandstone.  I may build a new console like I saw here in the forums or buy one.  Then buy furniture piece by piece as time goes on.  I can't afford all at once.
 
I also would like to add the polycarbonate sheeting like Liquid Assets did.  If for only one reason to help the wood last longer.  I am using marine grade, CCA plywood by the way.
 
I am in the process of cleaning the toons.  Tried several things but not much luck.  Actually the weather is somewhat up and down around here so I can't get too much done.
 
I will keep you updated.
 
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P.S.  I know that by using the risers it will help dry out the carpet but has anyone ever heard of or tried raising up the furniture as well so as to let air help dry under there too?
 
 
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Yes, some people do that.  It's personal preference.  Our new DeckMate seating has nice large drain channels molded in to the base, witch helps in drying out the carpet.  That doesn't mean you couldn't still use the spacers though!  That's the great thing about rebuilding a pontoon boat, you can do it just the way you like!
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I guess it is time for an update.
 
Last Saturday, the temperature around here was in the mid 60's giving me time to lay down a few sheets of the plywood on my pontoon.
 
Also, started sanding the railing in prep for primer. I did prime one piece today during a lull at work using the Rustoleum Self Etching Primer. I bought one can at Lowes for $5.98 plus $0.57 tax. Just wondering what anyone else has paid.
 
During my evening hours of watching the tube, I prepare more rails and making a mess on the floor that I have to clean up before my beautiful and wonderful wife gets home. Smile
 
Hoping to purchase a new console soon and hoping the weather gets warmer. I am wanting to get the boat back on the water by early to mid April.
 
Will post more pics when I get the entire floor down.
 
 
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Sweet!  That seems right for etching primer.  I have purchased it at NAPA and IIRC it was even more then that.
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I stopped by a Auto Zone store on my way home from work today and they wanted $7.00 plus tax.
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Yesterday's weather was decent enough for me to unscrew and tilt up one section of floor so I could cut a slot to thread the controls and wiring through.
I haven't put the seam tape on yet. Waiting to get the last sheet of plywood. Maybe next weekend if the weather is good.
 
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Hi, you are going to put the seam tape under the plywood seams correct?
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Yes, I am going to put the seam tape down. Just wanted to get somewhat of a head start on locating the plywood sheets and getting the hole cut for the controls and wiring.
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Are you saying you have not put the tape down under the plywood joints in your pics?  Typically the tape goes on the cross members before the plywood is laid.  That stops water from below coming up through the plywood joints.
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I am saying I plan to take the plywood back up then put the seam tape on.
I only laid it down temporarily so I could locate the slot and hole that needed to be cut to bring the controls and wires through. Also need to locate and drill holes for the ladder anchors.
 
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Looks like good progress...gonna be nice to not have to worry about putting your foot through the old deck!!
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I ordered a "BOAT LOAD" of furniture and carpet and a console today from PS. Took advantage of the 10% discount as well. Should have them in my driveway tomorrow or the day after. Will take pictures to share when they arrive.
I am getting more and more excited. Wanting to get moving along on my rebuild. Have been sanding and removing decals and priming the last week or two.
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Good progress, I just sold a 24' party barge just like that not to long ago..keep the pics coming
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The furniture came today. The carpet will be here tomorrow.
Assemble some of the seats and storing most of the pieces in a spare room.
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ohh man you got me wanting to progress further on my project...

Been thinking about the flip flop seat....can you make a live well out of it?

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I'm sure you could make a live well in the flip flop seat and someone on this forum probably has. The only problem I could see is that the seat cushion does not seal tight so I would think water would splash out while underway.
I am also pretty sure you could make a seal of some sort. I was thinking about trying it but may be a while before I attempt it.
Anyone else have comments on this? I would love to see pictures.
 
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Looking good! I'm spending the weekend in the garage working on my restoration as we speak:) Come on spring time!!
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Wondering if anyone has the same console I bought, shown in a previous post by me, and if so, could you post a picture of how you laid out your instruments?
 
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