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    Posted: 05/09/2011 at 2:13am
finally getting around to starting my thread.
so this is what we are starting with for $700 it had been sitting under shade trees for a few years. tried to look it over good, even left and waited a week to think about it and went back a second time to kick the tires and do some more looking. aired the tires up and took a chance on the bearings and got it home.               
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i have been doing a lot of reading and have found a lot of answers already but of course do have some to ask. first thing i need to do is reglue the carpetWink
  so let me give a little back ground on how i came across this barge. i gave away my brand new 10 year old stratos with a johnson 115 with less than a 100 hours for $4000. i bought it new and only used it one season. then my job pretty much took my weekends and then in 2005-2006 my health went south. so a couple of months ago i sold it to who i thought was a friend that would use and enjoy it. he sold it 2 weeks later for $8000Ouch  my wife and i discussed the idea of buying a pontoon before selling the bass boat. so the idea was to to take the $4000 and and wait till next year and put $10,000 on a new toon. my wife likes to browse the classifieds and kept seeing used toons for $1000-1500 no trailer of course. so we decided to go to alabama and look at one. i asked a couple of coworkers if they knew where i might be able to rent a trailer to get it home. the night before going i asked one more person about a trailer and was told about the party barge with trailer for $700. so now we have a summer project.


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So how much did the trailer set you back? Does the motor still run? I'd be keeping a look out for a evinrude. Good deal overall, but I'm surprised you even found a party barge trailer
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Barge and the trailer for $700??   sweeeettt!!!   For the other $3300 you have left in your pocket, you can totally top to bottom rebuild this toon!  I know on my toon (a 25' Crest) it cost us $475 for new plywood, $435 for a carpet kit, and about $2400 for furniture.  So if you go this route, you'll have a brand new toon from the floats up for less than $5000....and it's YOURS, you customized it to what YOU want in your toon  Thumbs Up
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not sure about the motor. i was surprised to learn it is a 72. i had figured it to be an 84 until i saw another member post the website to look up model numbers. was told the motor was started about 8 months ago but was shut down because the impeller was not working. he did offer to get it started but i passed. i will put 2-3 hundred into it just to see if it will last for a season. i have priced new motors from bps and been looking on craigs list. new wood will be $405 the furniture we decided on will be $1200. we are going to leave the front open for now. but for now we have to pretty much rebuild the trailer first. we got it out from the boat over the weekend. that's what my first 2 questions will be about but i will wait till tonight after work and post the photo first.
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One of the best finds (steals) I've seen.  Good luck with the work.  Thumbs Up Thumbs Up

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Man thats a good deal when you throw in the trailer. Thats exactly what I am looking for for my next rebuild aka the duck blind. If I find a similar deal in LA I will bite like a hungry shark. Looks like you got a great project!
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ok so for my first 2 questionsSmile
this is what the trailer looks like. needs everything but rust. has plenty of that but it is just surface rust, comes off easy with just a wire brush.
 
 
 


i have seen where Charles has told everyone with rollers to get rid of them. rollers are off. question is can i just attach the side bunks to the existing supports? second question/opinion is should i spend $26 dollars each for 18 foot 2x4's or is the way it was braced safe enough to go with? it was braced at the center of 3rd support from the back on each side.
  also want to thank everyone for your help and advice.
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i will have to take pictures and tell how i got the boat off the trailer asap. i read several ways and came up with a different way. don't know if it was the best way but it worked.
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You also need to remove those vertical posts, those will tear up your boat and I can see you gouging a big hole in your toons with that design. Now you can install vertical guides with horizontal bunks but they'll be closer to your toons (have to adjust for fit to give couple inches clearance) and they won't be that high like those toon punching things you got there now. Wink
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Hey Kenny, Were you holding a gun in your hand when you got that package for $700.00Thumbs Up.
I think you got one of the better deals I have seen in a long time. Good luck with project.
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Well you stole the boat (although a marine surveyor once told me don't use boat and steal in the same sentence) but someones robbing you on the 2x4's. $26 each for a treated 2x4x18 is way high. I don't see where the bracing is needed if the splice was over a support bracket. You definitely need to carpet or put bunk slicks on there.
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the price on the 2x4x18's are from home depot. i thought the price was high myself. all the wood in the photo has been trashed it was mixed, 2x4 here 2x6 there. was also warped on the ends and had some rot. i do have carpet already for the bunks, just have not decided which way to go with wood. have priced the slicks, little steep on price so they will have to wait at least one season.
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called a local lumber company about 3 weeks ago looking for plywood. i asked about 2x4x18s and they said they did not carry them but did have 2x6x18. i was thinking the 6 inch would be to wide? think i'll call back tomorrow and get a price.
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2x6 would be perfect, its what I had put on my old trailer, but the longest length they had was 16ft. So I got 10ft pieces and just cut it so it would meet on the supports then put couple packs of slick sticks from BPS. Didn't have any problems selling my trailer when the time came to get the new one, it sold on the 2nd day off CL.
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Just a word of caution on using treated wood for the bunks.  The treatment used in pressure treating does not play well with aluminum.  I took off my pressure treated and put in 2x6 pine covered in carpet.  Even if I only get a few years, not too expensive to replace and no worries about it pitting the pontoons.
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yea i was wondering about the pressure treated bunks.
   just called local lumber company their wood in 18' lengths is not treated so would that be better? i would think that would tend to warp?


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You just want to be careful that a sharp corner on a guide can't strike a pontoon as it could puncture it. With the rollers on your's it is difficult to tell if that could happen. My trailer had two uprights on each side, and each had a small pad on it. I removed the pads and bolted a carpet coverd 2x4 between them, giving me a long slide area on each side. This way if I miss my angle when loading the boat the front of the pontoon strikes the 2x4 and this aligns the boat with the runners as I ease it on up. With that the nose of the pontoon can go between two uprights and jam up, as it could on yours. But note that I didn't remove and replace the uprights, I used the existing uprights and bolted the 2x4 to them.

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that's what i was planning on doing also but now i think it will be temporary. i like the way rickdb has his done. that will be a good first time to lake project. we try to go for a week around the end of july. it wouldn't be the first time we worked on a trailer under a shade tree while camping.Thumbs Up 
  but as far as the bunks what type of wood to go with, treated or not? because i was thinking about the decking not being treated, is the carpet on the bunks enough of a barrier? i do have carpet already


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I went with non pressure treated 2x6. no warping issues as it is bolted down.  When carpet is wet it can wick up chemicals to the pontoon surface.
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non treated sounds like a plan for now then.  plan on getting bunk slicks next year so i'll go with treated then.
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Fantastic deal Big smile on the whole thing. Sure wish I had gotten mine that cheap. I really don't see how you could go wrong. It looks like you're starting at about the same place I did - 24' of room to arrange the way you want it, no old furniture to dispose of, and good looking rails, fencing & pontoons - not to mention a sturdy trailer. As far as the bunk material goes, I've used untreated 2X4 pine for years on several trailers. Never had any issues with warping or rotting. They will generally hold up for 4 or 5 years if not more. As far as the vertical posts are concerned, I think they should be just about right if you would relocate the front one to the back of the trailer and then add 2X4 pine runners to them. That's what my trailer has and it works great. I've launched and loaded in some pretty good wind on several occasions without any problems. My pine runners are attached to the top of the uprights and the back end of the runners is tapered and rounded to prevent a sharp corner from doing any damage to the toons. Here are pics of mine. If your posts are too far inboard from the pontoons you might add another runner down the outside of the runners sitting on top of the posts. A little carpet probably wouldn't hurt anything either. Good luck, and ENJOY!
 
 
 
 
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yea your right about the color. sticks out to much, kinda like a red sports car gets attention. going with black. but thanks for the side bunk example. been pondering how to get 18-20 foot 2x4s home in a f-150. thought about delivery, thought about renting a trailer, but since i don't have money to burn i'll just get the boat trailer wired, new tires and bearings, and painted and take it with me to the lumber yard. wilson trucking just delivered my plywood about a half hour ago, sure doesn't look like anything special for the price.
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