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    Posted: 10/04/2012 at 4:24pm
Is it just me or dose this just look like a perfect candidate for a center tube?



It's coming I can assure you. I've been looking for a nice flat bottom Jon boat for some time and I had finally found one that would have been perfect for a floundering boat. It was only 14' long but it was 66" wide I have never seen a boat that wide unless it was at least 18' anyways it was also all welded and not riveted, I sent the guy selling it an email and he called me back the next morning and I told him I wanted it and to hold it for me till I got off work he said no problem as I was the first to inquire. After work I called him and said I was on the way and he told me SORRY man I just sold it I just took a deep breath and closed my mouth and hung up the phone...anyways I told you that story to get to this, maybe that was a sign that I should use that money to start the 3rd tube....when I get back in town this Sunday I'll inquire about the older 24' monark pontoon ive had my eyes on for about 3years...i've never walked up on it but I see it almost every day driving by and it looks to have perfect tubes with no dents (fingers crossed) so if that's true my plan would be to take those 2 tubes and clean them up and do any polishing/ painting that I'll need to do and add drain plugs to the back of them if they don't have them, and beef up the tube risers to make them as strong as possible. Then replace my tubes with these, since one of mine has a huge dent that's unfixable. I would then use my tube with no dent as my base and build a transom on it but use the extra tube to extend it back about 12" or so....So that's my plan, this has been eating away at me for 3 years now. I know it gonna be a TON of work but I don't have anything better to do plus I like a challange
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Sound like a GREAT idea to me.  I have pics of the center tube transom area if you want ideas for bracing.  With the larger diameter tubes if I was doing it I would cut your existing transom and weld it to the rear of the tube.  Not sure on your design but if you have 23s or bigger I don't think you could cut it in like Liquid Asset did.  Remember to take a TON of measurements on your set up before you take your motor off.  That will give you a great idea of where to start so noting hits!
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If Everything works out like I have planned, my outer tubes will be 22" and the center will be a 23" hopefully it will work out and flote pretty high..With my current setup my boat floats almost 100% level and pretty high compared to before my rebuild. I really want a new merc verado and of course they are alot heavier than my 2 stroke 112 so I did a lil redneck test....I've found out that the vrod is about 210#'s hevier than my Johnson so one day on the water I got three people to stand on the stern of my boat so see how it sat with the weight and it didn't even move over about 2" and that was about 420#'s is this a decent way to judge it or am I way off.......and Ty any pics you can provide would be great, as I'm open to all designs
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Sounds like a good plan. The built in transom is the way to go. What HP Vrod are you thinking?
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   There are 23" transom tubes out there apex marine makes them for their tri toons. They look like the standard type transom and run a 20" shaft. The reason mine truned out the way it did was for a couple reasons. 1. my buddy that welds had never done a transom so he said if you have one strong enough on it's own already why not just put that into the log and make it even stronger. 2. my small logs wouldn't probably work to well with a standard transom and a 20" shaft. My method would really depend on the size of you transom. While my logs are small I have the top sides of the transom level with the mounting surface on the risers. That is all attached to the 2" drop bracket. If you had no bigger than a 23" log you could probably use that style if you chose . I think it would work becasue I know my motor is mounted a few holes up on the transom. What ever style you go with just make sure your cavatation plate is level with the bottom of your new log. If you have the motor set back further from the transom you can run it a bit higher. With a transom tube your prob will now be in ''hard" water rather than the chop a pontoon normally has to run in. If you can grab that other boat I say go for it ! Just make sure you find a good welder that can work with old aluminum. It just takes a little extra prep but alot of guys just try and work with it like clean metal. Here is a pic of the 23" transom log I was talking about.
 
 
 
 
I don't have any pics of how it's braced inside but I know it's rated for 150 h.p. Keep us posted when you start on the project I would love to see what you decide to do !
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Rick Im currently looking at the 200 but I REALLY want a 225, I've went back and fourth between motors but I always find myself going back to the vrod I just love them. My goal is 40mph and I'll be happy. I think I can justify a brand new engine since if I ever sell my boat I'd sell it without the engine and use it on the next boat and I would know what I had but I don't see me selling anytime soon. Thanks Shaun for the good info I'll look up apex and do a lil research I'm not set on any certin setup yet I'm just wanting whatever will give me 40mph. I do plan on a Jack plate 1 for extra mph and 2 for shallow water, I like venturing into very shallow coves and sight fishing redfish....I'll also add strakes but I wanted to see how the boat did without them first!
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They say the 6 cyl Verados are way smoother than the 4's. Also will have alot more grunt (torque). But it's a heavy dog. Over 600 lbs. I think either one will get you to 40 though..
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I agree Rick and the 6cyl vrods also look alot better the 4cyl kinda look funny. I just want to get the best performance and be 100% safe. I'm sure you know that 200 hp is alot more than I'm currently rated for but with all the beefing I'm I'm planning on doing I don't think it should be a problem. I understand that my 20 year old boat isn't going to handle and perform like a manitou shp but I still want to make it the best it can be. I don't plan on crashing big waves at wot and trying to run an obstacal course but mainly just having the torque to pull a skier/wake border up and really sling the tube around, and be able to gun it and get on across the bay in a timely manner to go fish....my current top speed is 20
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L-A, What I meant in my post was exactly what you said...your method worked great because your transom and log diameter matched up well.  It's not that 23" transom tubes aren't available (as pictured, and I also get them from time to time).  I've simply noticed on most older boats the transom is much smaller all around.  When we tried to modify an older tritoon conversion and weld a transom to it, it HAD to be cut.  We couldn't cut it in like you did because the transom would have been all the way inside the tube with nothing to weld to.  Instead of cutting the tube all apart it makes more sense to cut the front off of the transom and weld it to the back of the tube (with mucho bracing).  One thing I love about yours is the tank placement.  Ryan, you might want to think about that up front, if you plan on relocating yours.
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Sorry for the late response, I'm in Mississippi at a family reunion and service ident to great out here! I currently have a 20 gal gas tank on the port stern under the sundeck



It's under the right side In the smaller door. I'd love to have a 50 gallon tank in the center tube along with storage for hard to store stuff like the paddle and stairs, but I might have to settle with just the gas tank. I would want to see how the boat rides with the tube and heavy 4 stroke before I did this to place it where it would make it ride level but then I'd have to pull the tube off after it was mounted and the new motor also!
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Detail pics of a South Bay center tube.  Boat rated for 300HP:


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Thanks for the pics Ty, they really help. One thing I've been wondering about is where all the bracing attaches to the bulkhead is there any brecing behind that?
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Not that I'm aware of...
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Good to know, that bracing looks very simple but very strong at the same time. I'm most likely going to build mine after this style, if this one can hole a 300 I know mine can hold a 200 or 225
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If you have access it wouldn't hurt to add a double baffle on the back or some extra thick plate, but remember that a tube is strong by design.  Just like adding ribs to a flat piece of metal, the cylinder is inherently strong.
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Smart man! My plan is to extend the 24' tube another 12" or so with the extra tube. If it was you, would you cut the end cap off and beef it up or leave it intact and go from there??
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Are you referring to the addition, or the transom area?  At the "extension" piece I see no reason to cut the original cap off as long as you can make a good weld.  At the transom I would want to have a flat piece to work with and not the domed end cap.
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I was thinking about leaving one tube completely intact and adding the extra foot or so to the original end cap, but you brought up a good point that I've forgot about, with the original domed shape it might not work to good...I guess I'll cut the original end cap off and go from there unless I could just add a flat piece of plate to the original end cap...there's lots of different ways of doing this I just need to do whatever is going to be the strongest!
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Strongest...I think would be to leave the end cap, then butt-weld a piece just slightly smaller in diameter then your extension is to it.  Maybe 6" or so.  Weld it on the inside...It would create a "slip fit" for the new piece of tube.  leave your extension open in the rear, then you can weld inside and out.  Cap the rear part of the extension with flat plate, beef up as you see fit.
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Ok, I looked at the boat I've been talking about buying all this time and it was a bust. The guy is a an older junk collector and he wanted a arm and a leg for it....the floor was rotten along with the carpet the furniture or what was left of it was let's just say bad shape. The motor was a 1987 Johnson 90 that he said runs but hasn't been started in 5years    the trailer was a steal trailer and it was shot, wheels and tires where completely under ground, but the tubes where decent shape. I only seen one small dent but over all worth about $400. Anyways I walked away when he said firm $2,500......BUT on a good note I'm going to look at another one today, 24' sun tracker no motor or trailer $1,000 but it looks to be in good shape. After I look I'll let y'all know what happens!
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Ok I just finished looking at the boat and I think I'm going to just get it. The pontoons are in pretty awesome shape with the exeption of being extremely dirty. I looked them over very good and they seem to be sound, there is no dents at all. The only problem with them I found was the very top tip of the nose cones have been rammed into a dock and are bent but it's in a place that can be repaired pretty easily I think, that was a poor design on sun trackers part IMO because the shape of the bow adds no protection to the tips of the nosecones. She was asking $2,400 and after some negotiation I got her down to $1,200 and then to $1,000 so I think I did pretty good. Reason she came down so much is because I didn't want the engine. Hopefully I can get it tomorrow and start working on it, REMEMBER these tubes will replace mine all together and I'll use one of my originals to make the transom tube, these are 21" dia and my originals measure out at 22-1/2 dia......here's the pics of the boat

















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it looks like an easy fix. Also the tubes will clean up real nice.
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Some coil cleaner and may me a light sanding should have these tubes looking great. As of now I plan on painting the tube risers like I did on my tubes and polishing the tubes to a mirror shine. I love the look of the tubes painted white like liquid assets did but I still want the polished look for now...if it dosent work out to well I might paint them later on!
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Great buy on the boat. I am looking for one about like that in the grand range with trailer to make a duck blind with. The coil cleaner will work wonders and if you have the time and elbow grease you can follow that with a nice shine
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Ya I thought it was a good deal, I'd love to build a toon into a duck blind also. I seen some already built on craigslist that where pretty awesome, with heat stove freshwater sink bathroom gunracks and comfy seats...maybe after I'm 100% with this toon the wife will let me tackle another one!
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I'm suppose to pick it up around 5:30, then I have until Friday to get it tore down and return their trailer!!!! Gettin excited   
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Well it's mine and is sitting in the driveway. I did a lil work on one tube to see how they would clean up. I first washed them then used coil cleaner on them, then gave the whole tube a good scuff eith a scotch brite and coil cleaned again...it looks better than I thought for that little of effort. I think a good light sanding and one more coil cleaner wash will have them looking new. My wife and dad both suggested, instead of doing the 3rd tube just add some seats and clean it up good and sell it and possibly make a couple grand.... I'm considering it but I really want the 3rd tube on my other boat....opinions????
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