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sweet beautiful work!
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Now that is a console!  makes mine look like a cupholder!  you are gonna have one sweet toon!
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Bstomper as usual...you the man!!
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Thanks guys. I haven't posted much lately as my internet has been down for the last four days and getting the phone company here to check it out is a huge pain. They are suposed to be coming today to fix it so I should be able to post some pictures of my progress. I can't download the pictures on my work computer, but hopefully tonight.
Anyway, I finaly have the pontoons leak free, I installed the motor pod, put down the plywood decking and glued down the flooring yesterday. How long does it take for the flooring glue to dry. It was down yesterday around noon. Everything went good  and I had a good 4 days of work on the boat. I had to move a bunch of stuff in my shop to fit the boat in so that I could put down the decking and flooring because of the rain. It started raining a week and a half ago and hasn't stopped. I can't close the door of my shop because the tounge of the trailer sticks out. I bought a 12'x26' canopy for the boat so I will have to put it up and park it under it so I can get it out of my shop and close my door. My next step is to fab the deck edging. I couldn't find any manufactured edging around here and the original stuff was beat up to much to put back on so I had some 1/8" aluminum plate bent up to give me what I needed but I could only get it in 10 foot lengths so I will have to weld it together. I will post some pictures later on this evening if my internet gets fixed.
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24hrs is a good rule of thumb on the adhesive. Wink
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With your awesome fab skills don't forget the tow bar unless your still going to build a tower. Cant wait to see what you do next!
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Thanks guys. I can't believe how easy it was to screw down the decking with the deck screws from PS. It made life real easy. I ordered an extra bag of them so that I could really secure the deck. I still want to build a tower but the summer is well under way and I need to get this thing done so I can get it into the water. I am going to keep the bimini top for now and will work on the tower through out the summer if I have time and if not, I will do it next spring. I have been painfully contemplating on painting the rails but again it's a time thing as well as some concern of the paint adhesion to aluminum. I found  some real cool stuff for under skinning that I will try it looks like cardboard but it is made of plastic. I believe it's called coreplast. It is used at work for making signs. It is tough as "#$%$#@" and is very light. I think it will work great.



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Got the internet fixed so here are the pictures I promised. Nothing special, just another deck, but I know how much everyone likes picturesWink so I thought I would share.






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I had a bit more progress on the boat today before I had to head off to work. I was working on the deck edging. I had some 1/8" aluminum bent up and have mitered the corners and will tig weld them up. When the shop bent them up for me the break left a couple marks on each flange about an inch from the bend. I wasn't real happy with that but as it turns out with them installed it actually adds a bit of class to the edging. I am not quite done yet but here is what I have. I am real happy with the way it is turning out.










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OOPS sorry for the double picture post. I couldn't figure out how to delete the one picture.
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Just curious about something that I never really thought about before. I have read several places never to put more that 3-5 psi inside a pontoon when pressure testing it. I know the reasoning behind it but If the pontoons are leak free and the plugs are in the threaded bungs at the top of each chamber, is possible for the pressure to build up in the pontoon on a sunny day enough to cause a leak in the pontoon, and also a possibility to collapse the pontoons when the temperatures drop to -40 degrees in the winter time. Or are the pressures and vacumm that would happen not enough to cause and issues.

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Does anyone know how to take a screen shot from a computer and make it so that I can post it here?I have my wakeboard tower designed in bend tech and would like to post it up here for some input.
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You might laugh but I cant figure that out either so I just take a pic with my phone and post it .........lol

right click and select all or right click and drag over your work and save as pic wouldn't work   
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Screen capture.... Windows ... not sure about a Mac.

Have the pic you want to capture up on your monitor. On your keyboard, locate the "prt scr" (print screen) button (usually located near the scroll lock button) and hit it (this copies to your clipboard)

Open your image editor or Paint (wherever you keep you pictures) and click paste. Make changes (example- sizing) and "save as".... name it and select PNG, jpeg or gif. Then save.


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Originally posted by bstomper bstomper wrote:

Just curious about something that I never really thought about before. I have read several places never to put more that 3-5 psi inside a pontoon when pressure testing it. I know the reasoning behind it but If the pontoons are leak free and the plugs are in the threaded bungs at the top of each chamber, is possible for the pressure to build up in the pontoon on a sunny day enough to cause a leak in the pontoon, and also a possibility to collapse the pontoons when the temperatures drop to -40 degrees in the winter time. Or are the pressures and vacumm that would happen not enough to cause and issues.


That couldn't happen.  If low air pressure was ever able to fault a good solid weld we would all be in trouble!  As a matter of fact, some OEMs now leave the tubes pressurized from the factory to aid in resisting dents.
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Originally posted by Viper2some Viper2some wrote:

Screen capture.... Windows ... not sure about a Mac.

Have the pic you want to capture up on your monitor. On your keyboard, locate the "prt scr" (print screen) button (usually located near the scroll lock button) and hit it (this copies to your clipboard)

Open your image editor or Paint (wherever you keep you pictures) and click paste. Make changes (example- sizing) and "save as".... name it and select PNG, jpeg or gif. Then save.



This is going to sound real silly but, I have it figured out up until the "hit the print screen  button" After that I have no idea where it puts the image. How do I get to my clipboard. I have done this before and I do believe that it does put it in my clipboard but I can't find my clipboardConfused
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once you hit your print screen button Go to start button - programs - accessories- open up paint and in the top left you will see a paste button click that and it should copy your picture of your screen. then you can save it as a jpeg.
 


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Thanks guys I got it. Here are the images of what I came up with so far. I have 3 different styles based on the same look but this is the one I like the best so far. It's nothing fancy but I like the look of it. It would be sweeping towards the front of the boat. I would be made from 1.75" mild steel .095 wall tubing. Its the same stuff I made my RZR rack from and if strong stuff. I would like to make it out of aluminum but no one around here carries that size of tube. I don't have a tube roller YET, so I can't make sweeping bends. The program calculates the weight also and as it sits it is 87lbs. The black circles are where couplers will be so that it can be taken apart. They will be heim joints. The bottom section will be mounted to the decking edge, obviously with added support where needed. I still have to design a way to incorporate the bimini top into it. I have some ideas that I am throwing around but nothing in stone yet. Please feel free to give me som constructive criticizm. It is 7 feet from the center of the top tube to the bottom, The top tubed are 18" apart c to c and the mounts are 50" apart.

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When ya start making yours go ahead and make me one too!

Only suggestion I have on your side view is that your lower horizontal support needs to be as close as it can to the pin up points since there would be a lot of leverage from top flexing around while towing someone.

P.S. Don't forget the tow lug up top and some mounting brackets for the speakers!

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If you were closer I would definately build you one. It's just as easy to build 2 as it is 1. Good point about the crossbrace. I will post it up on the minibuggy building forum that I am a member of. The guys there are a wealth of knowledge on triangulation and the applied forces on a frame. I finished the deck edging and installed the motor today. The edging isn't welded yet because I need someone who can actualy lay down a nice tig weld, so that rules me out. My buddy is coming out on wednesday to weld it up. That will give me some time to figure out what I am going to do for strengthening the mounting areas for the tower. I can also start on the railing. Things seem to be moving along now.




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I noticed that you're going to put the 90 E-Tec on a "stiffened" transom.

Just a little heads-up:  I (and a few others) have gone through this process too, and in most cases we discovered that the 90 E-Tec introduced an undesirable vibration/resonance into the boat.  It's a fantastic engine..... it just appears to cause some unwanted coupling when hung on a rigid aluminum transom.

One dealer sandwiches Teflon pads/sheets between the engine mounts and the transom.  I personally tracked down a product called "Vibra-Stop" (Urethane Mount Pads) and installed them on my boat.  Made a world of difference.

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Good to know, thanks. I didn't know that there was an issue with this. If I get a vibration I will give it a try. My brother has a whole complete aluminum transom on his new pontoon and has a 115 etec and he is haveing no issues yet, maybe he got lucky. What thickness is the teflon they are using.
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The 115 E-Tec is a completely different beast.  It's the in-line engines that exhibit the "head shake".

I believe the shop was using 3/8" Teflon... but the molded urethane damper is a better solution.



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Bstomper great work on your boat and fab work. What part of Canada do u live in? What would u charge to build one of those wakeboard towers? Im in wisconsin and maybe could work something out with you. Been dreaming of a wakeboard tower on my pontoon. I dont have a walkout back gate so this would be perfect!

Again great job..
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Originally posted by jolds jolds wrote:

Bstomper great work on your boat and fab work. What part of Canada do u live in? What would u charge to build one of those wakeboard towers? Im in wisconsin and maybe could work something out with you. Been dreaming of a wakeboard tower on my pontoon. I dont have a walkout back gate so this would be perfect!

Again great job..
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I live in a small town Called Denare Beach in northern Saskastchewan.

I would have to build and try it out first and see if the design would actualy work before I would sell one. Just as a cool factor thing it would be plenty but for an actual frame for towing it would have to be tested. I have asked my dune buggy building friends and they figured angling in the sides a bit and adding a few plate gussets would add greatly to the strength. Also making it out of steel instead of aluminum would also help.
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Bit more done on the boat yesterday. My buddy was out and he welded up the deck edging and all the small holes that were drilled into the hand rails. I am very impressed how the deck edging fit. I removed all the paneling from the fence and will bled all the hole welds out today, polish them and install the new paneling, I hope.
We clamped the deck edging in place and tacked up each joint, then lifted the it up and put some aluminum angle under it for support so we didn't burn the decking while welding it. Once ot was cool the angle was removed and it dropped into place perfectly.





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I have decided against painting the rails mostly because of a time issue. It has been 30 C plus for temp lately and I just want to get this thing in the water and relax. So I had all the holes in the rails welded up and then ground them down and blended them in to look like they were never there, almost never there. I have most of my new paneling in the rails and just have a few more sections to go and then I can start bolting things down including the furniture. Once that is done it should just be the wiring and it should be ready to roll. I know it won't be as easy as it sounds but it does sound good. LOL. I ended up removing the complete bottom lip of the rail that hold the paneling because on a few pieces I would of had to grind off the rail supports to install the paneling and then weld it back on and risk damaging the new paneling. I didn't want to take that chance so I decided I would remove the lip and rivet the bottom on instead. It worked out so good that I did this with all of the rails. It was extremely easy to replace the panels this way and the rivets look kinda cool. I will take some pictures and post them tonight.
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I got the last of the panels put in the railing today and will hopefully be able to find some time tomorrow to put them in place and bolt them down. I haven't had time to take any pictures lately as I have been way to concerned on getting this done and have forgotten to take them. Once the railing is done I will get some. As I mentioned in the above post, I have removed the bottom lip that holds the paneling and I am using pop rivets to secure the bottom of the panels in place. As I was doing this today I was wondering if the panels would expand in the sun and start to bubble or bulge between the rivets. Rivet spacing is 4". To complicate thing more about this thought, the panels are black which would heat up more than lighter colored ones. I have already figured out a solution if this happens but I hope I don't have to use it. Time will tell.......

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well I finally have the pictures that I promised, and I have learned a valuable lesson... expect the unexpected. As I was intaling the railing, I placed a section on the boat and needed something from the shop. I thought........it is staying in place........if I can get what I want and get back here.......NOTAngry. As I left, the railing...with the new paneling, AngryAngryAngry fell of the deck and landed on the groundConfused. Murphy's law at it's bestOuch. It could have been way worse so I should consider myself lucky. here are some pictures of where I am.

the big OOOPPS!!! It's actualy not that bad but.....@#$%^*&^#@

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Please tell me you ar going to use deck spacers.....please.  Best $32 I ever spent.
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