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    Posted: 04/11/2009 at 11:43am

Here is the start of my rebuild adventure.  I purchased this pontoon just for the trailer.  Turns out the trailer was worthless, but the boat is all aluminum and in better shape then the other one I have. I had to block up the pontoon take the trailer home and completely rebuild it.  All new steel. Only thing I reused was the axle and winch stand.  I will try and document my journey for all to enjoy.


After getting it home and a quick pressure wash



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Here is the start of the teardown.  The aluminum canopy is going.  We are going to add a bimini at some point.  All the seats are rotted out, steering cable is bad and the 78 Merc 500 50HP that is on it all the wiring is dry rotted.  Not sure if it even runs.  It has been sitting in a field for 8 years.














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Everything is has been removed.  3 hours of pressure washing to get all the old glue off but it is now ready for new carpet.  Carpet went on easily.  I am cleaning all the railings.  Man is that alot of work.  I am using an air angle grinder with fine cleaning pads. A before and after picture is below.  Removed all the old aluminum panels and prepped them for paint.  Just going to repaint white for now.  Will do some striping later.










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Welcome Tom. Looks like it"s coming along nicely. Look forward to your pics..
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The panels have been repainted and installed.  Installed the new console and new steering.  Testing placement of the captains chair.  I need a new one but, the budget is a little light at the moment.  Might try and repair this one for now.




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Here is a picture of our other pontoon.  We bought this first without a trailer with the thought of rebuilding.  It has a nice large deck.  But the other pontoon we bought for the trailer was a nicer boat but smaller deck.  All aluminum.  Less cost to get ready.  So at the moment I have 2 pontoon boats.  Not sure what we are going to do with this one.  Sell, part out maybe even rebuild as it does have a bigger deck.  Anyway this is the boat that started it all.  Thanks to everyone on this forum, we have learned so much from you guys.


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Hi 2ltime---thanks for sharing your pics.  I am almost done restoring the railing on my pontoon, and it looks like you did the same.  If so, what process and products did you use?

Boat looks great!
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The railings were heavily corroded.  I tried using some fine sanding sponges but it just would not take it off.  I ended up using a 3 inch fine sanding pad 99986-0VGA
on a 1/4 in right angle air die grinder(93157-2VGA). The holder is number 9560-0VGA
All purchased from Harbor Freight.  Got to love that store.  Using this method will leave some swirl marks in the aluminum.  I had started to buff the marks out to a mirror shine but decided it was not worth the extra time.  I liked the brushed aluminum look.
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You better put some toon brite protectant (or your choice of protectant) then on those rails you"ll have worse problems to deal with later cleaning them.   When you get the urge to polish again, try some 0000 steel wool if the scratches aren"t real bad.

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Interesting---thanks!  I have 25 years of oxidation on mine, and have tried several techniques and polishes.  My latest technique produced pretty good results- a quick sand with a orbital sander with 150 grit, another pass with 220 grit, then a quick hand sand with a 320 grit sponge caked up with old polish.  Takes out the swirl marks.  Then a quick brush with metal polish on a paper towel.  Not a mirror shine, but restored aluminum that looks nearly new.  I think you may have less steps which is very good! 

I checked out that little right angle grinder---that looks pretty good.  I have a pancake type air compressor that gets up to about 125 psi--its a cheap one but works for a small nailer.  Do you know if that kind of think would work with an air angle grinder?

 



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Thanks for the protectant tip WD.  The angle grinders are real air hogs.  It is the cfm that is most important.  You might have a little problem with air.  But when they go on sale at Harbor Freight for $15 you can"t go wrong.  That it what I paid.
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Some more work done after a brief camping outing with the kids.  Stripping and lettering is done.  Steering is hooked up on new brackets.  Looks pretty good after powder coating.  No more rust worries.  Had to order a new throttle cable.  Moving the console made the old cable 2 ft to short.  All that"s left before a test run, is mounting the fuel tanks and battery box.  Not going to do furniture this season.  Going to save up and order a set for next season.



***gave space at end of 1st paragraph so pics would line up***



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Hey Tom, you sure have done a great job on the toon. LOOKING GOOD!!!  The James River is calling your name. Listen!! Can you hear it? That river is crying for you to put that toon in the water. Go for it.

 

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From the looks of the toons, they shouldn"t be hard to shine them up if you wanted to, should shine real nice. Good lettering job too
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Your toon looks great!  Your lettering and striping look very sharp.  WCD is right about getting some sort of sealer (Toonbrite, sharkhide etc) on the rails.  Apparently is takes no time to oxidize.   I had obvious color changes in mine in less than a week after not getting a protectant on all the exposed aluminum I had just cleaned and polished.  Learned that I don"t want to do that twice!
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We made it to the water, Unfortunately that is as far as we got.  Would not idle once i in the water.  But at least it floats, and the trailer does sink.  Made trailer from rect tube and sealed all the ends.  Should not have a rust problem now.  Anyway had a nice burger by the water and pulled the boat out.  Rebuilt the carbs yesterday.  Lower carb was full of crud.  Need to do some more tuning and get the idle set and then will try again at the lake. 

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Looks good on the water. That float test is mandatory. At least she didn"t leave you stranded in the lake and quit at the dock.

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We had the same prolem when we launched ours the first time. It ran fine on the shore but wouldn"t run in the water. Fortunately the local machanic was there and we pulled it and he fixed it on the spot and got us running that evening. You"ll be out there enjoying it soon! Great job on the rebuild.
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Thanks for all the kinds words folks.  With out this site would probably not have done this.  I finally relented and took the boat into a mechanic to get the idle adjusted.  I am too frustrated with it.  Should have it back by this weekend.  Then a few more odds and ends.  Still have to plan for seating, but will have to wait for budget to catch up to desires.  Will probably rebuild the bases on the old junk seats.  At least to get thru the season.
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Very nice! Keep the pics coming as you progress...
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2ltime thanks for contacting me to reopen this thread for you, we always look forward to seeing our members pics and news on their rebuilds
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Well it has been awhile but here is an update.  After trying all last summer to get the old johnson to run consistantly I gave up.  The mechanic and I went out several times and he would adjust on the water and it would be fine, the next time I would try and go out with the family we never left the dock.  If you could get up to WOT it ran great just not at idle.  Long story shorter I replaced the old 71 50hp with a 85 60hp of another pontoon I had.  Had the mechanic rebuild the lower unit and it is running pretty good now.  Here are some pics of the family out on the lake yesterday morning.  Never anyone out in the morning, nice and quiet.





One issue I had was the motor was set to low(see above).  I raised it 3 inches on the transom by drilling new holes.  I still think it might be sitting too low in the water.  I will take a picture later to show the new location.  I think I now have to raise the transom as I am out of room to move the motor up on the transom.
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Here is the motor after moving up as high as it would go.  I think it is still sitting down too far in the water but not sure how too tell.  The boat sits pretty high up at the moment as it is all aluminum and very light.  No furniture yet.  I am afraid when I load it up and it sits lower the motor will be back down too far again.  Any thoughts?



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The motor really does low Tom but I am not versed enough in knowing how high/low it should be. The transom on my JC sit a lot higher then I see on yours. I"m sure someone else on the forum can tell you much better then myself. The pontoon is looking good & I"m glad to see you back on the forum. I hope to have mine ready for the water by mid July if all goes well.
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Remember, each boat sits differently in the water (Higher or lower). What you need to look at is how far the cavitation plate is below the waterline. Your toon sits exceptionally high in the water and therefore your plate will also be higher. To me, it looks like if you place the cavitation plate even with the bottom of the transom, the prop will darn near be out of the water due to how high your toon sits..
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From the two stern shots it appears the bottom of the transom is out of the water.  Don"t think the normal "cavitation plate even with the bottom of the transom" will work well here.

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