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    Posted: 09/09/2013 at 3:29pm
Hello all. just joined the site, wish I would have found it sooner. Lots of good info here I could have used, but mostly done with my build now. I'll post up some pictures to show what I've done, then move onto the questions that I have about the modifications I want to do still yet.
If you aren't familiar with bowfishing, it's the most awesome combination of hunting and fishing ever. Basically you rig a boat with a bunch of lights and a generator and go into the shallows at night and shoot rough fish (carp, gar, drum, etc.) I feel the pontoon is the perfect boat to do this, but I am in the minority in that thinking. Most people use a rig like this:



I like the pontoon because of all the space. limitations are maneuverability with a trolling motor and a deeper draft than a standard flat bottom boat. Anyway, here's my rig, didn't get very good before pictures.




Deck and furnature were completely shot, but we knew that going in. only gave $2500 for boat, trailer and '96 40hp 2 cycle Mercury.



replaced with light grey DryLock (LockDry?) decking and furniture from Pontoonstuff.



Cleaning the rails was a major pain. This is where all the things I read about on here really would have helped out. Used CLR and bleach to get the funk off the rails.



Didn't want to replace the skin, so we decided to take them down to bare metal and do a brushed/burnished kind of look. After all, it's just a fishing rig, who cares what other people think.



should have pink acid washed the tubes before we did all this, but we didn't know any better. Besides, it was just supposed to be a fishing rig.



and here's what we ended up with on interior. there is a flip/flop seat in front of the console with no seat back that is not pictured. it was back ordered at the time. once we got it in, we decided the seat back took up too much room and left it off.



Here's the electrical stuff for lighting and specialty bowfishing stuff.



12v switches for 120v relays to power lights



12v coil / 120v relay box for lights



120vac to 24vdc converter to keep troller batteries charged all night. mounted under the seat with 24vdc fans to keep air circulating and let the converter run cool.



I have some electrical experience...

So here we are, life's good. boat floats, more than enough room to move around, first couple trips out we do good. then the motor won't turn over right before memorial day weekend. we dump it at the repair shop and race out and buy a BRAND NEW 2012 40hp 4 cycle. Later find out that compression is good in the motor, but one of the main bearings is bad (?). it's still at the repair shop untouched.

New motor runs like, well, brand new. no problems there. we notice when we fish with 3-4 people, steering with a troller is a problem. we notice that the strakes are completely under water when there are 3 people in the nose of the boat. Being near broke after the new motor, we decide to Band-Aid this broken arm for the season and limp along for a while. so we put a 24"W x 48"L x 20"D foam filled polyurethane dock float under the nose right in the center. This gives enough flotation when loaded that the strakes stay above water and maneuverability is back to manageable. The float is 4" shorter than the logs, so it doesn't even touch the water when we're on plane. This is $150 well spent compared to the $2000 or so for a center log.
Now it's down to end of the season and we're (my brother and I) looking for another project. Several people have commented about how well they like the way our boat fishes, would we be interested in selling, etc. We decide if we can get our money back out of it (just money invested, not time) we should dump it and find another boat. We start digging out receipts, and we've invested a hard $7500 NOT including the $4800 motor OR any of the weekly $20/$30/$50 trips to Atwoods and Walmart. Now people are not so interested...
SO, we're now looking to add a little sex appeal to the outside without breaking the bank, something that might get someone interested enough to break even. Acid wash and polish is in the works already. Any input on other aesthetic improvements would be appreciated.
OR, we will make some modifications to this one and get it closer to what we can live with and just live with the fact that we are never going to get our money back out of this boat. More on modifications later, still researching...

So for rebuilds, I must say the aluminum decking was the best investment we made. came out to about $8 a square foot, but man is it awesome. In 100 deg Oklahoma mid day sun, you can walk around barefoot without even getting warm feet. the furniture will nearly sear flesh though. With the aluminum deck, the bottom has to be open for good air circulation or it will just keep getting hotter, no skinning the bottom of the deck. This boat will never need another deck, no matter how many times someone decides to rebuild it.
we bought a monster deck wash pump from Grainger and coupled it with one of those PocketHose things from the infomercials, and it will flat pump some water. Great for washing slimy fish hands while fishing and washing the blood and fish scales off the deck when finished.

Questions or comments appreciated. I'll start in on my line of questioning in a week or so, still reading and studying what others have done.

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Very cool...I used that same decking material to build a deck off my house....Great stuff! and yes its stays very cool, it's where my dogs always take a nap...I went to the plant in AL where they make the product...after ten years it still looks new after a pressure washing!
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I concur.... awesome material for pontoon decking.  We love ours:


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Great project and great result.  Clap  Clap
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Ok, there's been some lookers, now I need some honest, unbiased opinions about the appearance. Not as a night time bowfishing boat, but as a daytime lake boat. What about the brushed/burnished panels, would you be seen in public driving it?

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I don't mind it at all.  How ever, most of the new boats are going with a dark color trend.  If you are looking at resale some color would be a great idea.  But hey, it's your boat do with it what you want!  It's an amazing rebuild, you did a great job!


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my opinion goes along with PS.,,boat ,bikes, cars ,we all like what we like,,,I look at that boat ,and I imagine a 50 caliber mounted on bow, with either Rambo or chuck Norris ripping up the jungle,,but as you stated,,its made for a purpose,,,nice job on the rebuild,,,there are some talented people on this forum,doing incredible things,turning older boats into dream rides Clap

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If you do decide to paint it maybe you could get it painted with a tinted clear. that would show the metal through yet still have color. 
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Awsome project. I bowhunt also, not fish because there aren't any places around here to do it, but it sure would be fun and I would love to try it. I love the mid mount console you have. I have already told my wife that I would like to do that if I ever build another boat. The boat in the link below was built for only fishing in mind and is somewhat similar to yours. I think your boat is an excelent built boat for the purpose intended. As far as resale goes, it's a special built boat for the purpose of fishing/bowfishing, and like some of the others said, most people are looking for a cruising boat to spend the day on the lake with the family and the BBQ. Your boat has a smaller section of buyers. You have done a great job and I would pimp it out the you want, and enjoy it.

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On the other hand, because specialized rigs can be hard to find some times that's a GOOD thing.  I did a fishing themed pontoon a while back:

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It was one of the fastest sales I ever had on a boat!




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Originally posted by bstomper bstomper wrote:

Awsome project. I bowhunt also, not fish because there aren't any places around here to do it, but it sure would be fun and I would love to try it. I love the mid mount console you have. I have already told my wife that I would like to do that if I ever build another boat. The boat in the link below was built for only fishing in mind and is somewhat similar to yours. I think your boat is an excelent built boat for the purpose intended. As far as resale goes, it's a special built boat for the purpose of fishing/bowfishing, and like some of the others said, most people are looking for a cruising boat to spend the day on the lake with the family and the BBQ. Your boat has a smaller section of buyers. You have done a great job and I would pimp it out the you want, and enjoy it.



Come on down and I'll hook you up on some fish! Gotta warn you tho, once you try it you'll be hooked for life. Addictive like heroin...
I got the console and captains chair from PontoonStuff, but I wouldn't do it again. Quality is good and everything, but no one ever uses it. Always standing straddle of the chair or standing beside hunched over. I would do a standup console and save the room if I did another build.
Speaking of consoles, I met a bowfishing guy that rigged his kicker motor to be controlled with electronic actuators and a joystick control. He can steer from anywhere in the boat! Has the setup down pat for Mercury/Nissan motors. I'm trying to get him to build me one for my toon and get rid of the console all together! Type in "joystick kicker" on YouTube, it's the first video. He's tweaked it some since the video, but you get the idea. I think it would be the Bees Knees on a cruising pontoon.
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upgrading the boat again. Bill is cutting a couple custom U tubes to go under the front end. we found when you put 4 guys on the nose it tends to tip forward and make steering with the trolling motor difficult. The U tubes will taper forward, but not to the center like the main tubes. Kind of like this -


We decided to do this instead of the full length center tube specifically for the purpose of bowfishing. Without question, this is not the best "all around" solution. It's going to drag a little on take off, but I don't think the front taper of the U tubes will hit the water at all when on plane.
Also getting a transom from bill with the 24gal tank installed. layout will be something like this -


And since we're doing all that already, might as well add Seastar hydraulic steering system with a tilting steering wheel and a hydraulic jack plate. We didn't put a tachometer in originally, so we're going to add that too.
Now we've got this new tank with all these cool hookups, no idea what goes where. any input here appreciated -
Would be cool to have a fuel gauge on the dash if we can figure out how to wire it in.

I'm going to set the transom back so it's about 10-12" behind the tubes, and the jack plate will set it back another 5 inches. This is going to make the trailer center of gravity WAY off, it's a little light in the tongue already. We're going to put tandem axles with 15" tires under it. We have to pull the guide roller thingys off the trailer anyway to keep from ripping the new logs off during loading and unloading, might as well change the trailer while we have the boat off. I think we'll put tall poles on the outside to aid in loading and unloading. we'll be pushing the 102" max legal road width.
We're going to have some extra deck space outside the fence now. I'd like to find one of these gas tank fences off a tracker to put on the other side. If anyone has a lead where to look I would appreciate it. My only other option is to have one build from scratch (ouch!).


I'll take pictures as we go along. Bill said it would be a couple weeks on the U tubes. Hopefully I can get the boat under the bridge cranes at the shop this weekend. Pick the boat up and set it on a flatbed trailer for a while and work on the trailer and have it ready for when the tubes and transom arrive.

What else am I missing? Go big or go home has been our approach on this thing. Any other bells and whistles I should consider with all this going on?

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I could certainly be wrong, but I'm willing to bet that if you make those mods your days of "getting up on plane " will be over.

I've been running 5 logs for quite a few years now, and the hydrodynamic drag created by the inboard tubes is substantial. More than one might think.

With a nice nose cone taper and lifting strikes you might have a shot.... but "as described" I think you're going to be looking at the 15MPH range.

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I'm not sure we get up "on plane" now! The 40hp tops out about 18-20 as is. Should have replaced the '96 model 40hp 2 stroke with a 75hp when it crapped out instead of another 40hp. We just didn't have enough time with the old motor to realize it should have been bigger.
The good news is bowfishing happens at night, and 20mph is plenty fast in the dark. We have a plan tho! Famous last words... We're looking to buy a 1860 boat hull and trailer, put the 40hp on that and buy a 90hp for the toon. My brother would use the 1860 as a duck boat in the winter, and we might rig it up to shoot river fish now and again.
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I like your boat a lot especially the floor, I've got mine tore down to the frame and was planning on plywood and carpet/vinyl but now I'd like to take a look at that aluminum decking, I'm in the Tulsa area where did you purchase yours? Also I like your idea upgrading to a 90hp that's something you'll never regret!

As far as wiring in that fuel gauge its simple as long as you get the right gauge for your sending unit, if you're getting it from Bill he should be able to help you make sure the gauge is designed to read the same range in Ohms that the sending unit is using.

I've never seen a boat with the front tubes like you are planning on installing are you making them the same size as your current tubes? I think you have a balance problem not a floating problem, if the front of your boat is dipping down then the back is coming up. Upgrading to a 90hp will help with that problem I would think, and my two cents would be to try just one right in the center and maybe find a way to transfer some weight to the back of the boat?
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I got my decking direct from LockDry. It was freighted in from somewhere (Birmingham maybe?) for about $100. It's pricy, but awesome. Another member here said Aridek was also good.
Slickest thing I've seen so far was a guy that bought overpass signs from the highway department and made a deck with it. 1/8" thick 2" tall x 12" wide with a brace at 6" and they bolt together. Like this -
Don't remember exactly what the dude said he had in his after sandblasting and paint, but it was about half what I gave for LockDry. He will have a little more maintenance due to painting the aluminum, but for half price I would be OK with it. IF you can find somewhere to buy them.

For the center tubes, they will be 1" deeper than the main tubes. They are U tubes, so just a matter of bolting the flange to the runners. I'm sure we'll try a couple different positions before we bolt it in permanent.
about transferring weight, the weight is the people and all the shooting takes place in the front of the boat. There really is zero weight anywhere inside the fence except us. Outboard, generator and batteries all sit on the very back.



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Thanks for the info on the flooring I'm definitely going to look into it, and I'm very interested in how yours turns out with the added floats in front. One other question is will they effect how your boat sits on your trailer being larger?
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We put a 24" wide x 48" long x 23" tall dock float under the front midway through the season last year. It clears the trailer by a bunch, though 2" shorter than the U tubes will be. We will have to take the guide rollers off the inside, but no big deal.

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Can anyone tell me what all these connections are? Bottom left is obviously the fill line. Bottom center has 2 wires coming out, I'm assuming this is sending unit for fuel gauge? I think the one beside it is the pickup line, but can't tell if there is a hose to the bottom of the tank below the fitting. NO CLUE what the bottom right is. And again NO CLUE for the thing in the top is. Really don't want to take it all apart and have to figure out how to seal it all back up just to figure out what's what. The seller was not much help.
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You have a new tank that meets the EPA regulations for vapor recovery.  You are correct on your guesses.  Here's what you can try:  On the extra fitting on the lower right, plug it.  On the top fitting you should have one side that is a 5/8" barb, use that for the vent.  Plug the smaller side. 

NOTE:  This is not the way this tank is designed to be used.  It's designed for newer F.I. motors with the new EPA regulations.  PontoonStuff does not recommend using any products in a way other then what they were designed for.

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Sweet, thanks for the heads up!
Got the 2 custom tubes kinda put on today, will fasten in permanent and take pictures tomorrow. It's a crazy tight fit to get 4 wide on an 8' boat. There's like 2" between each at the centers.
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Progress has been slow, but snow on the ground has given some free time.
Got custom tubes, hydraulic steering, hydraulic jack plate, transom with gas tank all in a few weeks ago.
First hiccup, can't mount the transom as far back as I would have liked without MAJOR modification. So it's only sitting about 8" further back than it was. there will be no extra deck beyond the fence as previously thought.

Don't have the jackplate mounted yet. Motor will get exchanged this weekend hopefully.
Next was the front tubes. These were tough to mount. Thankfully I had some shop guys with girly arms that could reach in there and turn wrenches.
View from the back

and the front




So now the front tubes set back about 2' from the nose. Further than I originally planned, but thought any closer would interfere with the jet wash from the troller. We're pretty sure it's gonna look goofy under power because the nose is going to stick up in the air, but it's built for fishing not cruising.

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Now down to all the little details. the gas cap proved to be more problematic than anticipated. We're worried that because of where it sits, a vented cap would fill the tank with water when we powered down. Non-vented caps are few and far between, and none with a breather line installed. So we bought one and added the breather line.





So now we have a gas tank with a sending unit, never had that before. Now thinking we should have a fuel gauge. But the tank is triangle shaped, so by a standard fuel gauge would be really inaccurate with the top half really big and the bottom half really small. But there is a solution. Cruz something-or-another makes a programmable gauge that accounts for odd shaped tanks, but it's $250! A standard gauge is like $100, so it's only $150 difference. But it's $150!
And a tachometer. Didn't have one with the 40hp, found it to be quite inconvenient when battling prop sizes. So we're going to add one of those too. There's a kajillion options for a tach, but I don't know enough about how they work to know what signal is coming from the motor and which gauge reads what signal. All the descriptions are pretty vague, like "remove old gauge and hook up new gauge". None of them say "reads 4-20mA signal, reads 0-10v signal".
As soon as we get the motor installed, ready to put the tandem axles under it. Never done this with a loaded trailer. I assume just keep sliding them to the back until you get some tongue weight? Always done empty flat deck trailers which is 1" behind the center point for every 1' of overall length. Obviously this is WAY wrong for a loaded boat trailer.
Also going to have to change the bunks around a little. Will have to cut out for tandem axles. Think we are going to add slicks while we're at it.
The rear of the trailer where the transom saver props up is really flimsy. Going to brace that up as well. we've actually lost the transom saver a couple times due to flex in the trailer support. Had to start pinning it in, which is a real pain.
What about these tubes in the front? Are they OK just hanging there or do I have to put some kind of bunk under them too?



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Looking good.

How bright are those LED docking lights that you have in the last photo? Been looking for something similar.

Nice progress. For the fishing, most boats I have seen use an elevated platform to shoot from. Are you going to just lean over the fence or build something similar. I have never tried bowfishing, but it sure looks like fun.
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Ummmm.... you're running a non-vented (sealed) gas fill, and you plumbed the breather (vent) into it??

Unless you have yet an additional vent for your tank, that's not going to work.  Not at all.  The tank will over-pressure when it gets hot, and create a vacuum (starve for fuel) when you're underway.
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It was suggested earlier that the vents at top, left one i think, could be used as a vent.  What did you all do with those?
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Originally posted by Something2do Something2do wrote:

Looking good.

How bright are those LED docking lights that you have in the last photo? Been looking for something similar.

Nice progress. For the fishing, most boats I have seen use an elevated platform to shoot from. Are you going to just lean over the fence or build something similar. I have never tried bowfishing, but it sure looks like fun.




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No elevated deck. That's pretty much for day time shooting and we only go at night. Rail is barely over knee high, just enough to keep from falling out. Just right.
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Originally posted by SunBlocker SunBlocker wrote:

Ummmm.... you're running a non-vented (sealed) gas fill, and you plumbed the breather (vent) into it??

Unless you have yet an additional vent for your tank, that's not going to work.  Not at all.  The tank will over-pressure when it gets hot, and create a vacuum (starve for fuel) when you're underway.


Not sure of the proper terms for what I'm trying to say. Breather to let air out while gas is going in without getting the gurgle back flush thing from air coming up the same tube gas is going in. Vent being to the atmosphere from the tank without restriction.
See the screw inside the lid? It's a spring loaded seal. It opens (out) at about 2-3psi. It was unrestricted the other way (in) around the screw through an over/under labyrinth. We added a seal around the screw so it takes about 2-3psi to open also. Didn't take any pics of that before I glued it all back together. Know what you mean about pressured/vacuumed tanks, we're good.
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Originally posted by p3cflyr p3cflyr wrote:

It was suggested earlier that the vents at top, left one i think, could be used as a vent.  What did you all do with those?



Yeah, did as suggested. Plugged the bigger one and tied the smaller one to the fill neck. That's the black hose that connects to the brass fitting below the fill cap.
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